| First Presidential Debate | (09/26/2008)
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7:29 | Joe Bodell: Welcome to the live blog -- feel free to jump right in with your preview thoughts for tonight's debate between Barack Obama and John McCain. |
7:30 | Mike McIntee: Welcome to The UpTake's coverage of the first Presidential debate between Senators Barack Obama and John McCain. Â Â On our home page we have two video feeds. Â One from a TV station in Memphis that will carry the debate and another from CSPAN which will be focusing on the audience watching TVs outside the debate
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7:31 | Mike McIntee: Stick around after the debate and we'll have the Citizens' Spin Room... where people who are NOT pundits talk about what they've seen. Â We'll be streaming that live too.
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7:31 | Mike McIntee: Our first topic tonight is what questions would you like the candidates to answer.
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7:32 | [Comment From typewriter]
I want to hear McCain actually spell out some kind of feasible economic policy |
7:32 | Mike McIntee: Joining us to help with tonight's live coverage we have a great panel which includes Joe Bodell of Minnesota Campaign Report, Professor John Logie of the University of Minnesota and many of our UpTake correspondents.
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7:33 | Jennifer Whigham: What kind of Palin questions do we think McCain'll get, if any?
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7:33 | Logie: In the interests of full disclosure, since my last activity on The Ultake, I have done som phone-banking for the Obama campaign. I invite participants in the liveblog  to weigh whether my admitted bias informs my comments tonight.
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7:34 | Mike McIntee: Robin Marty who is with CIM and oversees several independent websites including Minnesota Monitor will be with us too.
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7:34 | Logie: And, apparently, forgotten how to type.
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7:34 | [Comment From typewriter]
@ Logie, practicing on a typewriter, they keep you honest |
7:34 | [Comment From Chuckumentary]
Also in the interest of full disclosure, I've been coaching Sarah Palin on mastering interview techniques. |
7:35 | Mike McIntee: Was that before or after the Katie Couric interview Chuck?
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7:35 | Joe Bodell: Logie, despite your bias, where do you think the expectations game points right now? Are expectations higher for Obama or for McCain right now? |
7:35 | Logie: @ Chuck - In what respect, Charlie?
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7:35 | Chuckumentary: Mike: During - we had a wireless audio connection. Every word was mine. |
7:36 | Logie: I think Obama was expected to outpoint McCain, who has persuaded everyone that he is ONLY comfortable in the townhall meeting format.
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7:36 | Chuckumentary: Yeah, she calls me "Charlie" too |
7:36 | [Comment From Mspdude]
How much do you think the focus will be shifted from the planned foreign affairs to the economic situation? |
7:36 | Logie: One consequence of the events of this week is that now McCain gets credit for showing up.
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7:36 | Chuckumentary: Logie, you said "outpoint" - is that coming from debate club? Is it like boxing? |
7:36 | Logie: And he has a built-in alibi for appearing unprepared.
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7:36 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie, do you think Obama runs the risk of being labeled "wooden" much in the same way Gore was? |
7:37 | Mike McIntee: I would be surprised if this debate did not get into some of the domestic financial issues that have dominated the week.
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7:37 | Logie: Sure. The term circulating on the cable channels is "professorial." Â
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7:38 | Logie: As a professor, it saddens me to think that my colleagues are notable (to a great degree) for their failure to speak clearly and/or decisively.
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7:38 | [Comment From typewriter]
Michelle Obama has said that she thinks Barack needs to "relax" do you think he feels pressured by historical stereotypes of his race to, if anything, appear over prepared? |
7:39 | Joe Bodell: I think one thing that has to be considered here is that Obama has had plenty of practice. The long primary season meant plenty of opportunity to hone debating skills. On the other hand, if the debate does stick to foreign policy issues, expect McCain to bring up the term P.O.W. at least a few times and use his personal story as proof of his expertise on the issue. Â Both campaigns have been playing the expectations game this week, it will be interesting to see how the expectations play out.
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7:39 | Logie: I think the racist stereotype of the "angry black man" has encouraged Obama to curtail any of the flavors of discourse that might be processed as "angry." He has rarely resorted to what might be described as "righteous indignation" -- a typical arrow in the quiver of most presidential candidates.
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7:40 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I think Obama's style will go over great tonight with independents and undecideds. They'll prefer his long, thought out answers to McCain's erratic knee jerk responses. There is no evil for McCain to defeat in an economic crisis |
7:40 | Joe Bodell: If the McCain campaign's web ads published earlier today (with the text "MCCAIN WINS DEBATE") are any indications, it sounds like they expect to say their candidate won no matter what.
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7:40 | Logie: @ U.J. - I don't ecessarily think McCain will appear knee-jerk tonight.
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7:41 | Logie: He, too, can ill afford to appear angry, UNLESS it maps as "righteous indignation."
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7:41 | [Comment From raya79]
hello |
7:41 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Logie I do. If he's preparing for a foreign policy debate, this is. I fully expect him to come out swinging at Obama, on the surge, on Iran, etc |
7:41 | Chuckumentary: That's right Joe, this is all really a formality since McCain has won the debate. Going through the motions. :-) |
7:41 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
*that is |
7:42 | Jennifer Whigham: Raya - welcome!
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7:42 | Logie: I think the McCain ad is telling not because it shows his team will spin whatever happens as a "win" but more because it suggests that McCain might never have been serious about skipping the debate.
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7:42 | Logie: Had he seriously considered withdrawing, the ad buy probably would/should never have been made.
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7:43 | Logie: BOTH sides will be spinning whatever happens tonight as a "win."
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7:43 | RobinMarty: sorry -- I was so mesmorized by the JAck Cafferty clip on TPM I forgot to read where we are. Â I'll catch up now
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| 7:43 | What are your expectations for John McCain's performance tonight?Very High High Not sure Low Abysmal |
7:43 | Joe Bodell: I think McCain's most ardent supporters like it when he's more knee-jerk. Â He has problems when he's more scripted and runs the risk of looking like a rather creepy old guy |
7:44 | Logie: Good point, Joe. The "green screen" scripted presentation was his worst in this campaign.
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7:44 | RobinMarty: I think it will be pretty hard to avoid the creepy old guy look when he's considered old by most of the people who will be watching
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| 7:44 | What are your expectations for Barack Obama's performance tonight?Very High High Not Sure Low Abysmal |
7:44 | Logie: And I thought McCain DID perform well in his Minnesota town hall meeting.
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7:44 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Joe You're right about his ardent supporters, but how will it go down with undecideds? |
7:44 | [Comment From Mspdude]
I think it will be interesting to see how many times Obama mentions Biden...and how many times McCain mentions Palin. |
7:45 | RobinMarty: I find it hard to belive there are really undecideds when two candidates are so polar. Â I think its more people who want to pretend they haven't already made their choice
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7:45 | Mike McIntee: I think John McCain will avoid mentioning Sarah Palin at all costs in a debate about foriegn policy.
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7:46 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
ha |
7:46 | [Comment From Tierney]
I have to say, I'm afraid McCain is planning to do something totally bizarre to steal another news cycle. |
7:46 | Jennifer Whigham: Tierney - my fear, as well.
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7:46 | [Comment From Mspdude]
That's what I think as well. But Obama may need to break out the Biden references more since he has experience that can be leveraged. |
7:46 | Joe Bodell: @UJ -- good question. Â Mike is on the money -- I wouldn't be surprised at all if Obama tries to draw McCain into mentioning Sarah Palin's name. |
7:47 | [Comment From Don]
I hope there will be some actual debate here for once. Direct exchange between the two candidates. |
7:47 | Logie: The structure WILL allow direct exchanges - and this is a very good thing . . .
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7:47 | [Comment From Tierney]
Oh yeah, get him to describe the russian "trade missions" she goes on |
7:47 | Logie: CNN is now pointing out that Obama is not necessarily a great debater.
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7:48 | Logie: The talking heads are arguing that Obama "lost" Saddleback.
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7:48 | [Comment From Tierney]
I've spent some time in alaska, I went on a trade mission once. We brought a shipment of beer to sibera |
7:48 | [Comment From Mspdude]
@Logie A very good thing for which side? |
7:48 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I hate the narrative that he's "not a good debater." It should be "Dumb people can't keep up with all the words!" /snark |
7:48 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
I do not have great expectations, but I was glad to see the structure had changed a bit |
7:48 | RobinMarty: I find it hard to believe any lawyer can't debate.
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7:49 | Logie: Direct exchanges are a good thing for democracy, methinks, but it might slightly advantage McCain.
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7:49 | Logie: In my view, McCain has more leeway for attacks.
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7:49 | Chuckumentary: Good point by Gergen - McCain has a good sense of humor in the town hall format, and can be very natural. Obama is stiff even with his humor. |
7:49 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama is an intellectual. That does not equate to being a bad debater. Most people can't understand an intellectual, I guess. |
7:50 | Mike McIntee: If you think this debate will have any effect on John McCain's base, you only have to watch these interviews Chuck Olsen did at a McCain rally to realize that is not possible.
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7:50 | Logie: If you're right, Diane, perhaps I'll close my laptop and start drinking now . . .
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7:50 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
I think Obama is much better at debate than his reputation. He is not combative, but he makes an excellent overall impression. |
7:50 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Obama just comes off as stiff. He's exactly what Americans want in a president, but not in a presidential candidate, ironically. |
7:51 | JasonB: So, have I missed anything? 3 year old not wanting to give up the goast.
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7:51 | Logie: Obama's intellectualism is being processed by many in his audience as a lack of passion.
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7:52 | [Comment From Diane]
Actually, I think that's a good point, Jeff, although I don't see Obama as stiff. |
7:52 | [Comment From Diane]
Exactly, Logie |
7:52 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Logie, agree completely. But we'll all be happy for it once he's elected. |
7:52 | [Comment From Tierney]
I agree, the base won't change their minds. If Obama wins, he'll get back the momentum from last week and build lead in the polls. |
7:52 | Logie: I think he IS passionate, but also rightly concerned about how emotional presentations will be mapped against his race.
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7:53 | [Comment From Tierney]
I think his plan at the beginning is to step back and let McCain do some of the work for him. |
7:53 | [Comment From Natalie]
If Obama is such a poor debater how did he win the nomination? |
7:53 | [Comment From Diane]
For the first time in weeks, Gallup Poll today increased the electoral college numbers significantly for Obama |
7:53 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
can anyone get stats on Cindy McCain's stock ownership in AIG and Lehman? |
7:53 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
He's absolutely passionate, but there's the "angry black man" thing he's worried about, plus he just communicates his passion differently. |
7:54 | Logie: In Rhetoric, we speak in terms of three core appeals, ethos (authority, credibility), logos (logic, reason) and pathos (stirring emotions positive OR negative). Obama has been relying on the first two almost exclusively.
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7:54 | [Comment From HowWasTheShow]
Will we still have time to get to the liquor store after the debate is over, i.e. what's the projected eta of the end time? I might need a drink after it's over. |
7:54 | Jennifer Whigham: HWTS - Lowry Hill Liquors delivers! Â (Might be out of your delivery area, though.)
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7:54 | Jennifer Whigham: Wait, maybe not Lowry Hill. Â But some liquor store.
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7:54 | Logie: He's NOT a poor debater, neither is he an excellent debater.
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7:54 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama likes to play off of a crowd. That rarely happens in these debates, but the Mississippi crowd may be different |
7:54 | JasonB: I'm gonna need a drink tonight, that's for sure
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7:55 | Chuckumentary: OK, I have some energy drink and vodka now. |
7:56 | [Comment From HowWasTheShow]
Thanks Jennifer. Settling in. We're watching on the projection screen. |
7:56 | Logie: Any McCainiacs here? I'm interested in your read of McCain's prospects.
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7:56 | RobinMarty: moosedrool
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7:57 | RobinMarty: thank you to who ever uploaded the cafferty
thats what I was watching before
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7:57 | JasonB: A bit of Caffery talking about Pailn. It's a must see
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7:57 | Logie: CNN says Kennedy had a seizure, waa hospitalized and returned home.
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7:57 | [Comment From Diane]
Yeah, applause to Cafferty for saying what he did. |
7:57 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
grisham and creativity?? what?? |
7:57 | jacksonwest: Hello from the Mission in beautiful, sunny San Francisco, California!
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7:58 | Logie: Welcome, Jackson . ..
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7:58 | JasonB: @jackson, or sure, rub it in :)
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7:58 | [Comment From Chuckumentary]
Jackson, welcome brother! |
7:58 | [Comment From Jack]
I like Obama. However, I fear if he gets elected, it will be the equivilant of a seditive for the people, and he will fail keep his message of change. |
7:59 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
@Jack, so we should elect someone whose bad policies will keep us angry? |
7:59 | jacksonwest: we can go video live here if you all want. its pretty raucus in the theater
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7:59 | [Comment From Noah Kunin]
In downtown Minneapolis at a MinnPost.com event with members and journalists watching the debate. |
8:00 | Logie: Welcome, NOAH!
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8:00 | [Comment From Jack]
Because of our options. |
8:01 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
blogging from astral media inc |
8:01 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Here's a pre-debate poll: Can John McCain stand for 90 minutes? |
8:01 | [Comment From Natalie]
Who chose the topic for tonight? |
8:01 | Chuckumentary: UJ: Yes - robot legs. |
8:01 | [Comment From Diane]
Here we go! |
8:01 | Noah Kunin: The topic was chosen in conjunction with the campaigns and the commission however the moderator has the final say. |
8:01 | Logie: The topic was negotiated by the campaigns. Oddly both agreed happily to foreign policy first, economy last.
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8:02 | Noah Kunin: Final say on the questions that is. |
8:02 | RobinMarty: Jim Leher has no eyelashes
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8:02 | Logie: but the events of the past week suggest that economic questions will edge in.
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8:02 | JasonB: it was great to hear the comments from Leher before he went live on the Mogulus stream.. that was funny
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8:02 | Logie: Lehrer DOES have sexy eyeliner, though.
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8:02 | [Comment From Jeffrajones]
Consider additional options to the two corporate candidates! Check out votenader.org |
8:02 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
the global financial crisis! |
8:03 | JasonB: I want to know where he gets his solid black contact lenses
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8:03 | RobinMarty: brings out the all pupil eyes...
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8:03 | [Comment From Diane]
Wow, the audience has to be quiet |
8:03 | jacksonwest: boos in the house when they said "audience will be quiet"
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8:03 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
american politics - the great american coin toss!! |
8:03 | Chuckumentary: What is this, the 1940's? How about a computerized coin toss? |
8:03 | [Comment From Griffin]
*all cheer* |
8:03 | [Comment From Diane]
nice of McCain to show up |
8:03 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Hi Jim! |
8:03 | jacksonwest: its an obama lovefest in here. they are doing the wave
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8:03 | Noah Kunin: If only the State of the Union had the same rules about cheering. |
8:03 | RobinMarty: I want rock paper scissors
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8:03 | Chuckumentary: First observation: Obama is taller and better looking. Game over! |
8:03 | Noah Kunin: CNN has an audience reaction meter.... |
8:03 | jacksonwest: By the way, that was all Schlomo. Â I use the shift key. -JW
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8:04 | Mike McIntee: Finances off top.
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8:04 | RobinMarty: leher looked like he was tuning in tokyo
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8:04 | [Comment From Diane]
that's for damn sure, Chuck |
8:04 | [Comment From Tierney]
Think the SOU would only be 15 minutes then - Amen |
8:04 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
the global financial crisis! |
8:04 | Logie: CNN has a wacky scorecard. Brazile ALREADY has McCain at -1 point.
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8:04 | [Comment From Diane]
didn't you hear that McCain won the debate? |
8:04 | RobinMarty: I'm drinking anytime anyone says "wallstreet v mainstreet"
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8:05 | [Comment From Diane]
what about when McCain says "my friends", Robin? |
8:05 | Logie: I recommend only SIPS on "Change" from Obama and "My friends" from McCain.
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8:05 | JasonB: @Robin, you are so toast 
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8:05 | [Comment From Jacc]
What a time to have to reboot. wallstreet v mainstreet |
8:05 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Robin, took about 6 seconds for the first one. I expect at least 25 tonight. |
8:05 | [Comment From Griffin]
700 billion is a lot of money, no potential about it |
8:05 | Chuckumentary: I'm going to take a pee every time I hear "golden parachute" |
8:05 | RobinMarty: I got a sixpack
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8:05 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
golden parachutes |
8:05 | jacksonwest: I'm voting for Chuck!!
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8:06 | [Comment From Diane]
here we go...go get 'em, Obama |
8:06 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Obama took the first show at McCain. He SPOKE first, but will McCain have a slam in his statement? |
8:06 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
shot* |
8:06 | JasonB: wasn't Kennedy released already?
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8:06 | RobinMarty: I wish every show had an audience reaction bar
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8:06 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Are the fundamentals sound? |
8:06 | [Comment From Natalie]
Good point about the middle class |
8:06 | [Comment From Griffin]
avoids question |
8:06 | jacksonwest: Californians for Olsen. Membership: 2.
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8:06 | Logie: Kennedy is at home, watching the debate, per CNN.
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8:06 | [Comment From jp]
old information |
8:06 | RobinMarty: McCain said nice things about Kennedy. Â What a maverick!
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8:06 | Mike McIntee: Is McCain reading this?
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8:06 | Noah Kunin: Response in this room to McCain mentioning Kennedy is indignant.. |
8:06 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCains not feeling to great |
8:07 | Jennifer Whigham: Yes, my crowd here yelld at the screen a bit on the Kennedy comment.
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8:07 | Logie: McCain seems oddly low energy . . .
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8:07 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
on snap! he steals the kennedy moment |
8:07 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain isn't feeling too nice about things lately...I bet |
8:07 | [Comment From typewriter]
here comes the fear |
8:07 | RobinMarty: another drink!
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8:07 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Not feeling to great. Maybe you ought to quit and go home. |
8:07 | [Comment From denise]
bad tie, it moves on msnbc -- very basic no no in TV |
8:07 | [Comment From Leslee]
WHERE'S NADER???? |
8:07 | Mike McIntee: "I've been around a little while"
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8:07 | [Comment From Natalie]
Your right he does not look good |
8:07 | [Comment From typewriter]
What is the package? |
8:07 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Ole Miss students are losing their credits! |
8:07 | jacksonwest: Kennedy mention brought groans
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8:07 | RobinMarty: ok, seriously -- that is NO 5000$ makeup job
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8:07 | Noah Kunin: Same here Jackson. |
8:07 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
nader's on bill maher tonight |
8:07 | JasonB: Nader is doing the drinking game too :)
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8:07 | [Comment From Jacc]
Package, I'm drinking. |
8:07 | Chuckumentary: Nader is surely partying with Obama Girl. |
8:07 | [Comment From typewriter]
Its just empty words where is the substance? |
8:07 | [Comment From courtney]
Yeah - a little too long |
8:08 | [Comment From typewriter]
he is running on a photo op at this point |
8:08 | [Comment From Diane]
didn't you hear? we were told to take it easy on McCain...he's been busy saving our financial crisis |
8:08 | Noah Kunin: McCain is not answering. |
8:08 | [Comment From Natalie]
He is rambling |
8:08 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Does anyone think MacCain sounds like Lehrer. |
8:08 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I liked that Obama looked at the screen. McCain appears to be having a DISCUSSION with someone off screen |
8:08 | JasonB: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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8:08 | RobinMarty: ummm--- did Palin prep him for this debate?
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8:08 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
What's in the package, John? |
8:08 | [Comment From Guest]
Nader should be theree, as should McKinney, Paul, Barr |
8:08 | [Comment From typewriter]
@josh he's looking at lehrer |
8:08 | jacksonwest: Cant wait for the fall Depends ad campaign starring McCain
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8:08 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Did he not prepare at all? |
8:08 | Noah Kunin: Obama had clear 4pt plan - did subtly accept the premise that the package was needed though which the progressive movement is currently rejecting. |
8:08 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
@Josh, just thinking the same thing myself |
8:08 | [Comment From Jeffrajones]
I hope Stephen Colbert can do a "Blue Screen Challenge" based on McCain's response! |
8:08 | Noah Kunin: Moderator = Awesome. |
8:08 | [Comment From Leslee]
Seriously....NADER deserves to be in this debate. |
8:08 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
beginning of the end..... end of the beginning... foreign oil! |
8:08 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Wow, that was a poor start for McCain |
8:08 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama says he hasnt seen the plan? |
8:09 | [Comment From Natalie]
No eye contact with the screen. Yes lets go back to the question |
8:09 | [Comment From Jacc]
I prepared more than McCain. Half a bottle of wine down. |
8:09 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
I hope a 700 billion dollar plan is more then a couple of paragraphs. |
8:09 | Noah Kunin: Obama says he hasn't seen the language, ie the actual bill. This is becaue there are only working drafts no actual drafts of a bill. |
8:09 | [Comment From denise]
jacc, true dat |
8:09 | jacksonwest: i think someone dusted a little grey in Obama's hair to make him look distinguished.
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8:09 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
What if someone were to answer the question? |
8:09 | Logie: Obama is arguing "I saw this coming and warned the pertinent parties."
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8:10 | Chuckumentary: jackson: that's actually cocaine in Obama's hair. |
8:10 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama is coming out strong |
8:10 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
What about the foreign oil, Barry? |
8:10 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain HOPES SO on voting for the plan? |
8:10 | Noah Kunin: Obama: "clearly need to intervene" |
8:10 | [Comment From typewriter]
He also warned LOL |
8:10 | Noah Kunin: WHOA audience reaction tanking on McCain |
8:10 | [Comment From Jeffrajones]
Nader's voice in this debate would be helpful in actually offering some substantive differences to the rhetoric we already are hearing tonight! |
8:10 | Logie: McCain: "Me too! I did that too!"
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8:10 | [Comment From courtney]
Obama is so much more authoritative. |
8:10 | Noah Kunin: CNN audience reaction,. |
8:10 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@jackson Yeah the grey seems to come and go from speech to speech. I HOPE its the lighting and not shameless pander dye |
8:10 | [Comment From Natalie]
He is going to vote for a plan that has not been made. |
8:10 | [Comment From typewriter]
Did he mention Esienhower? |
8:10 | [Comment From Jacc]
My plan to fix the economy? 1 mil for each question that is not answered in debate. |
8:10 | [Comment From Tierney]
Wonder if Barry will mention Mr. Rick Davis? |
8:10 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Hmm, don't remember that warning. Must not of gotten through. |
8:10 | RobinMarty: audience reaction goes down every time mccain speaks
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8:10 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
I'm logged in from two machines. Is there a way to pop this chat window out of this page? |
8:10 | [Comment From Griffin]
WAR! |
8:10 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Seriously? |
8:10 | [Comment From Mspdude]
He's going to vote for the plan. Not smart to say when its not done. |
8:11 | Logie: Is that credible coming from the man who ALSO said "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" last week?
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8:11 | Noah Kunin: LIE 1: McCain said he would FIRE the Sec chair. Did not ask for resignation. |
8:11 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain, ready to fail from day 1 |
8:11 | [Comment From Natalie]
He would bring in WW II just as expected |
8:11 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie, that is the question of the whole economic argument isnt it? |
8:11 | RobinMarty: Someone didn't get his pre-debate nap
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8:11 | Noah Kunin: Prez does not have authority to fire SEC chief. |
8:11 | Chuckumentary: Noah - I think he later asked for the resignation. |
8:11 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
and you don't see anything wrong with that either. |
8:11 | [Comment From Jacc]
I can't believe he said "Invasion" very undude. |
8:11 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I've heard that "Wrote two letters" schtick before. Is this really Eisenhower or just some fable |
8:11 | Logie: CNN has a green tracking line for independents and McCain is, apparently, scoring with them . . .
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8:12 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
I saw in a AP article the SEC chair is and old enemy of McCain. |
8:12 | [Comment From Tierney]
I thought he wanted to the president to FIRE the SEC charirman (which he can't do) and then he called it the FEC |
8:12 | [Comment From Cravenor]
fire somrbody else |
8:12 | [Comment From denise]
drink robin |
8:12 | Joe Bodell: While neither candidate directly answered the first question, it's worth noting that Obama answered a *related* question. McCain turned "financial crisis" into "Eisenhower in WWII"..... |
8:12 | RobinMarty: drinking
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8:12 | Jennifer Whigham: David - not that we know of (on popping out of the screen)
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8:12 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Shortterm THANK YOU!!!!! |
8:12 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Oh my word. |
8:12 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain gave us a little history lesson...so nice of him |
8:12 | Chuckumentary: yay it's funny time! |
8:12 | [Comment From Jacc]
I thought WalMart killed mainstreet. |
8:12 | [Comment From Jack]
I would support $700 billion dollars to help alleviate world hunger. A noble sacrifice from the fattest nation on earth. |
8:12 | Logie: Good joke from McCain!
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8:12 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Wow, he looked SO OLD right there |
8:13 | [Comment From typewriter]
This is reminding me of the Jack Johnson, John Jackson debate from Futurama |
8:13 | [Comment From Diane]
He IS old |
8:13 | Logie: Clever way to poke fun at the old age concern . . .
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8:13 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
$5,200 per person man, wow |
8:13 | RobinMarty: did they give thme matching podiums so they are the same height?
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8:13 | Noah Kunin: Moderator asking for more interaction. Will we get it? |
8:13 | [Comment From denise]
fundament problems or fundamentals are strong? |
8:13 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
McCain: no I will not respond to Obama. Here are my talking points. |
8:13 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
EXACTLY TYPEWRITER!! |
8:13 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama does look a bit afraid of facing McCain down. |
8:13 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain will not look at Obama, talk to Obama, or be called short. |
8:14 | [Comment From denise]
fundamental belief -- I should drink when he says fundamental |
8:14 | Noah Kunin: I'm not sure on what basis we are still the greatest exporter.. |
8:14 | [Comment From denise]
drinking |
8:14 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Oh yes, please keep saying "fundamental" over and over |
8:14 | Joe Bodell: This is strange. Â McCain isn't attacking Obama OR answering the questions directly..... |
8:14 | RobinMarty: someone take away Castellanos numbers before he wastes them all in the first 5 questions
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8:14 | [Comment From typewriter]
BTW, where are the flag lapels? |
8:14 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Loving this dual camera view. |
8:14 | Noah Kunin: ...given our huge trade defieict. |
8:14 | [Comment From Jacc]
Drink Denise |
8:14 | [Comment From Natalie]
That was just a sound bit remark |
8:14 | JasonB: McCain should avoid the word "fundamental"
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8:14 | jacksonwest: Eh. I'm thinking something more "Mad Max" is in the days ahead of us.
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8:14 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
i dunno -slave labourers are pretty productive! |
8:14 | [Comment From Laurie]
McCain sounds nervous and rehearsed. |
8:14 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@ Joe have you ever heard him answer a question? |
8:14 | [Comment From typewriter]
How would a 700 BILLION dollar bill reduce spending John? |
8:14 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain should know about spending |
8:14 | [Comment From Cravenor]
give it time, temper temper |
8:15 | jacksonwest: Earmarking is marijuana!
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8:15 | [Comment From typewriter]
Palin should know about earmarks |
8:15 | [Comment From denise]
oooh first reference to drugs |
8:15 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain is counting on his tie confusing people. |
8:15 | [Comment From Rith]
Palin loves earmarking |
8:15 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Spending is completely out of control. So lets spend another 700billion. |
8:15 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Think McCain taking on his own party will go over well here |
8:15 | [Comment From typewriter]
BEARS! |
8:15 | jacksonwest: Medical earmarks are legal here in California.
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8:15 | Joe Bodell: @Jacc -- it's an optical illusion
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8:15 | Logie: McCain is looking better now - he DOES seem passionate about this topic.
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8:15 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Jacc haha. |
8:15 | RobinMarty: say bridge to nowhere!!!
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8:15 | [Comment From typewriter]
WHAT?!?!?! |
8:15 | [Comment From denise]
old pen! |
8:15 | [Comment From courtney]
you wave that sharpie |
8:15 | Noah Kunin: Old pens? |
8:15 | [Comment From typewriter]
NO SPENDING!!! |
8:15 | JasonB: Did McCain just talk about bears?
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8:15 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Did he say million? |
8:16 | Logie: But he just threw Obama a lifeline. Why is Bear DNA different from Palin's Seal DNA earmark?
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8:16 | [Comment From Laurie]
Maybe the tie sends subliminal messages to independent voters - put foil on your heads, folks! |
8:16 | [Comment From Jacc]
He's been smoking a little to much earmark, |
8:16 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Are polar bears endangered, John? How do they differ from other bears? |
8:16 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
million? big deal. |
8:16 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
He's just falling right into his stump. I swear he really did not prepare for this at all |
8:16 | Joe Bodell: McCain claims to have �never sought a single dollar� in pork barrel funding. It's just not true. � McCain in 2006 co-sponsored legislation that asked for $10-million for an academic center at the University of Arizona to honor the late Supreme Court chief justice William Rehnquist. In 2003, Frank noted, McCain won authorization to buy property to create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, and in 1992, McCain asked the Environmental Protection Agency to provide $5-million toward a wastewater project in Nogales, Ariz.�
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8:16 | RobinMarty: anyone else having a "my pen, MY PEN!" kids in the hall moment?
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8:16 | [Comment From denise]
fundamental differences. |
8:16 | [Comment From Cravenor]
President Palin? |
8:16 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
And here is an actual response. |
8:16 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Anyone else think that Hilary was likely a tougher debate opponent than McCain? |
8:16 | [Comment From GlobalPunditOrg]
Mac has said that at 18 debates now |
8:16 | RobinMarty: fundamental? Â drink
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8:16 | [Comment From Diane]
you go, Obama |
8:16 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama can nail him on the spending thing if he has some balls |
8:16 | RobinMarty: there again
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8:16 | [Comment From Diane]
fundamental |
8:17 | [Comment From Jacc]
Earmark, smoke. |
8:17 | JasonB: 300 BILLION for Wall-street slicks
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8:17 | Joe Bodell: Body slam on tax cut difference. Â Obama is much more clear here than he was in the primary-season debates. |
8:17 | RobinMarty: independents for obama!
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8:17 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama sounds strong |
8:17 | [Comment From Natalie]
Why does Obama keep saying McCain is right. Not a good way to start. Should start with what he disagrees with. |
8:17 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Obama sounds REALLY solid but he is just not taking shots. What the hell? He opened with an attack! Keep it up |
8:17 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Ooooooo nice Obama. |
8:17 | [Comment From Cravenor]
bail me out |
8:18 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
BO is looking right now. |
8:18 | jacksonwest: Right, except "corporate tax cuts" aren't a slur in the politics of the right, "earmark spending" is.
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8:18 | [Comment From Rith]
Tax cut, sure, every 4 years they all say that |
8:18 | Noah Kunin: Wow, I think McCain just nuked the server for Citizens Against Government Waste. Can't get access to it. |
8:18 | Logie: This is Obama's best answer to date - focused and clear language.
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8:18 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Because he isn't lying. |
8:18 | Joe Bodell: Apologies for my intermittent silences -- I'm listening and watching, but I'm sharing baby duty tonight |
8:18 | [Comment From typewriter]
He cant appear to be an angry black man |
8:18 | RobinMarty: Joe, it's 8pm -- why is the baby still up?
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8:18 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
You can only answer that way if you KNOW what you're talking about. |
8:18 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain sounds like an old school Regan Conservative |
8:18 | Joe Bodell: 7 weeks old. Â Never sleeps for more than 2 hrs at a time. |
8:18 | [Comment From Natalie]
Who cares is he appears as angry |
8:19 | [Comment From Jacc]
How much is our inasion costing us? |
8:19 | [Comment From Rith]
he is |
8:19 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama has to attack him on his double standards |
8:19 | RobinMarty: I won miss independent!
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8:19 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Man, okay, he needs to stop talking about his history and history in general. |
8:19 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
McCain just accused of millions, Obama talks about billions |
8:19 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain is starting to get emotional...go, McCain...get mad |
8:19 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
The Keating Five had nothing on the crooks these days. |
8:19 | Logie: WHAT? Did he just say "I didn't win 'Miss Congeniality'? Because his running mate DID.
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8:19 | [Comment From denise]
sheriff fundamental |
8:19 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
McCain should stop smiling and/or laughing |
8:19 | [Comment From typewriter]
Call him a liar |
8:19 | [Comment From Cravenor]
good fer u joe, god bless |
8:19 | [Comment From Diane]
good for you, Obama... |
8:19 | jacksonwest: Loopholes always sounds kinda dirty.
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8:19 | [Comment From Jacc]
Obma needs to shoot the sheriff, but he cannot shoot the deputy. |
8:19 | [Comment From Jay]
Nader should be there. He�s on the ballot in 45 states this year. Democracy can only suffer for his exclusion. |
8:19 | Logie: Smart move for Obama to interrupt.
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8:19 | Mike McIntee: After the section about the financial crisis finishes we will have a poll asking how you think the candidates did.
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8:19 | [Comment From Natalie]
Here is his opportunity and he is taking it/ |
8:19 | Joe Bodell: Good interruption. Â If Obama lets McCain have the "he'll increase spending, I'll keep taxes low" point, McCain comes out ahead. |
8:19 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@type I wish. |
8:19 | [Comment From Rith]
Nader should be here |
8:20 | Noah Kunin: First cratering of Indepednents audience reaction vs Repub and Dems. Was quick - not sure was in response to interruption or what McCain was saying. |
8:20 | [Comment From Griffin]
He needs to mention plain earmarks |
8:20 | RobinMarty: I just realized -- wasn't today supposed to be about foreign policy?
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8:20 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
earmarks a going nowhere. |
8:20 | jacksonwest: Last 8 years? Try last 100.
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8:20 | Joe Bodell: Focus on getting middle class back on track = net positive for Obama. Â Keep focus on areas where Obama's polling lead is strongest. |
8:20 | [Comment From Cravenor]
sorry, |
8:20 | [Comment From typewriter]
@robin haha |
8:20 | [Comment From Cravenor]
McCain |
8:20 | [Comment From Cravenor]
past, |
8:20 | JasonB: @Robin, yeah, it was
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8:20 | [Comment From Cravenor]
Obama |
8:20 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Robin, there will apparently be no foreign policy debate. |
8:20 | [Comment From Rith]
Tax cuts and economic stimulis checks are just bandaids |
8:20 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Oh man, is this middle school. Okay Johnny, talk to Obama and tell him you're sorry. |
8:21 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Just like campaign finance reform... going nowhere. |
8:21 | RobinMarty: fine by me --- didn't we piss them all off anyway...
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8:21 | [Comment From denise]
lehrer opened it up for domestic economy blah blah with the opening comment about "security" being home |
8:21 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
I don't see him talking to Obama. |
8:21 | [Comment From Jacc]
Moderator or marriage couselor? |
8:21 | [Comment From Natalie]
McCain is not addressing his real tax position |
8:21 | [Comment From Mspdude]
lot more working people out there than business people. |
8:21 | Noah Kunin: McCain was slighly off in reference to Ireland. The corporate tax rate is 12.5% there. |
8:21 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Don't businesses use any criteria for locating other than tax rates? |
8:21 | RobinMarty: 2000 what?
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8:21 | [Comment From MattJhsn]
Ireland it not a typical tax rate. They are lower then typical. |
8:21 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! |
8:21 | [Comment From Diane]
there you go...my friends |
8:21 | JasonB: mmmmm, pork pork pork
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8:22 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
5,000 dollars for healthcare?!!!! |
8:22 | [Comment From Rith]
I would like to see these projects in a nice list. Let us check them, see if they are worth it. |
8:22 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I think they're too professional to engage each other head on. Plus, McCain was probably coached to stay calm and look at Jim so he didn't fly off and call Obama a c***t |
8:22 | [Comment From Jacc]
Still can't tell who McCain is talking to. I'm guessing the Fox News camera. |
8:22 | RobinMarty: I should have more babies to make more money
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8:22 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Yeah F'ing RIGHT! |
8:22 | [Comment From Laurie]
Tax rates don't necessarily account for credits, loopholes, etc. So comparing US rate to other countries may not be apples to apples. |
8:23 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain questions who Obama calls rich? This after he said you have to make more than $5 million? |
8:23 | Noah Kunin: This is a great turn around by Obama. |
8:23 | [Comment From typewriter]
Nice linking McCain to loopholes |
8:23 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Clearing his throat is his tell. |
8:23 | jacksonwest: I should get a job finding tax loopholes for rich folks. Â Bet it pays more than writing.
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8:23 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Laurie Yeah and Ireland doesn't have 300 million people and the world's largest military industrial complex. What are they paying for? The Delorian and beer? |
8:23 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama needs to work the healthcare angle more |
8:23 | [Comment From denise]
booyah! who's the tax man now? |
8:23 | Joe Bodell: @jacksonwest, yes it does.
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8:23 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Wow. Obama is looking strong tonight; really being aggressive. |
8:23 | JasonB: is McCain going to do his Monty Burns laugh?
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8:23 | RobinMarty: BAM! Â Take that, McCain -- yer heatlh plan sukz
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8:23 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain is getting mad.... |
8:24 | [Comment From Mark]
A lot of problems could be solved if we cut the huge wasteful military budget. where is nader? |
8:24 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Democrats like those loopholes as well - energy conservation, historic preservation,...... |
8:24 | Logie: McCain is smiling in response to Obama's critique - he thinks he has something.
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8:24 | Joe Bodell: "Festooned"? Seriously?
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8:24 | [Comment From Cravenor]
temper temper.... |
8:24 | RobinMarty: pantaloons!
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8:24 | [Comment From Laurie]
Besides, I think U2 is paying most of Ireland's taxes. :) |
8:24 | [Comment From denise]
drink every time mccain says festooned |
8:24 | [Comment From Rith]
yes, end the war, stop spending so much on military |
8:24 | [Comment From typewriter]
He said Talking the Talk and Walking the Walk... |
8:24 | [Comment From Jacc]
We need to legalize and tax earmarks. Just like Peter Tosh said. |
8:24 | Noah Kunin: Wow, I'm surprised that McCain is not responding directly to the taxin gof health care benefits. McCain camp usually takes great umbrage at that charge. |
8:24 | [Comment From GlobalPundit.org]
"festooooooned "! |
8:24 | [Comment From typewriter]
Did anyone catch that? |
8:24 | RobinMarty: this is turning into a lampoon!
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8:24 | [Comment From denise]
fundamentally fair |
8:24 | Chuckumentary: yo i'm late for my bassoooon lesson! |
8:24 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Are you KIDDING ME?!?!?!? |
8:25 | [Comment From Rith]
I'll get the shot glass when they go to break |
8:25 | [Comment From Natalie]
McCain is going to continue the Bush tax plan. |
8:25 | [Comment From Diane]
Here McCain goes with his lies again |
8:25 | RobinMarty: ok, can someone say mainstreet wallstreet again?
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8:25 | [Comment From denise]
oh yeah..bring up the oil company profits |
8:25 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
mercuh..... mercuh.... mercuh.... damn the furriners and their oil..... This is all about foreign policy! |
8:25 | jacksonwest: Crossing my fingers that Obama brings up the Keating 5 and the S&L meltdown. Â Seems rather relevant to the current economic discussion.
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8:25 | [Comment From Jacc]
If the ties says it, it's true, must obey the tie. |
8:25 | JasonB: @Robin, get'n tristy?
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8:25 | [Comment From Rith]
no tax breaks for oil companies! |
8:25 | [Comment From Cravenor]
here we go |
8:26 | RobinMarty: I want to lick mccains tie -- I bet it tastes like peppermint
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8:26 | [Comment From Natalie]
As long as McCain keeps lying what chance does Obama have. |
8:26 | JasonB: I think Obama is cleaning his clock
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8:26 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Natalie good point |
8:26 | Chuckumentary: God, please don't let McCain smile anymore, it hurts America |
8:26 | Logie: McCain MUST NOT giggle like that ever again.
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8:26 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@RobinMarty That was great. |
8:26 | [Comment From Jacc]
Robin, I'll bet it tastes like freedom. |
8:26 | [Comment From Cravenor]
keep on offence |
8:26 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama is killing McCain |
8:26 | [Comment From Mspdude]
McCain's got a little bit of the GWB cackle. |
8:26 | RobinMarty: freedom neckware...
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8:26 | [Comment From Laurie]
I think Obama is clearly winning too, but I support him. Wonder what McCain's supporters think |
8:27 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Logie yeah its like he's just laughing AS his response |
8:27 | Joe Bodell: I don't care if I get criticized to high heaven because McCain's teeth were broken in Vietnam. They look HORRIBLE under natural light. |
8:27 | [Comment From enraged youth]
I really hope mccain wins. |
8:27 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Great question on making sacrifices. |
8:27 | [Comment From Rith]
more mass transit |
8:27 | RobinMarty: so is gloria borger out having a smoke? Â when's she going to vote?
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8:27 | [Comment From Diane]
Hell McCain has enough money to get his teeth fixed |
8:27 | jacksonwest: Yeah, subsidies for corn growers to turn food crops into fuel for cars! Â Woohoo!
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8:27 | [Comment From Rith]
better organized communities. |
8:27 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Yes! Healthcare. |
8:27 | [Comment From enraged youth]
so does obama. if mccain wins maybe the american people will finally revolt |
8:27 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Get the mortgage and housing crisis fixed and the banks might not fail. |
8:28 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
This is a bad question for Obama to be ducking. Big opening for McCain. |
8:28 | Noah Kunin: Obama's 10 year goal of foreign oil indy. grates on those of us who have studied energy policy. It's 100% impossible. A 25 yr goal is more reasonable if that. Of course the Repub. energy policies are worse... |
8:28 | [Comment From Griffin]
look at that CNN boost |
8:28 | [Comment From enraged youth]
obama doesnt even want universal healthcare anymore. he's already sold out to the healthcare companies |
8:28 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
Obama should say something about dental care to McCain |
8:28 | [Comment From Ali]
Neither of the two candidates care about the American people. Obama spits on the fact that he is half white and McCain has supported Bush for the past eight years. Nader has my vote on November 4th and anyone who cares about this country please do the same. Nader �08 |
8:28 | [Comment From typewriter]
I think McCain's attacks are more effective than Obama's reasoned arguments |
8:28 | RobinMarty: audience seems to love it best when you don't answer questions. Â I thnk that means something
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8:28 | [Comment From Rith]
ha ha!! New grid?? do you know how much that will cost! |
8:28 | MattJhsn: I agree 10 years seems undoable. We are deep deep deep in this oil dependence hole |
8:28 | Noah Kunin: This is getting some of Obama's highest marks on audience reaction. Haven't seen much sunlight between party identifiaction. |
8:28 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Anybody watching the reaction trendlines? Independents and Republicans get off on China bashing and spacewalking |
8:28 | Logie: Obama is dodging this question much as most any politician would. Most NEVER tell you what they'll cut. Points to McCain if he does.
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8:28 | [Comment From enraged youth]
Im with ali |
8:29 | [Comment From Jacc]
China sells poisoned ties. |
8:29 | [Comment From Rith]
Fix the development pattern, sprawl is destructive |
8:29 | [Comment From Mark]
he says to cut spending and doesn't talk about cutting the wasteful military budget |
8:29 | jacksonwest: San Franciscans cheer for "most liberal voting record." Â And these people vote for Newsom and Pelosi.
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8:29 | [Comment From Mark]
same with obama |
8:29 | [Comment From GlobalPundit.org]
somehow , mccain's passion is trumping mccain's lack of logic |
8:29 | Noah Kunin: Whoa, is the the 1st time McCain has said he's against ethanol subsidies? |
8:29 | [Comment From RossL]
Nader has supported renewables since the 70s |
8:29 | Logie: POint for McCain - he specifies at least ONE cut - ethanol subsidies.
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8:29 | [Comment From enraged youth]
if obama and the democratic party stopped being so centrist on everything... perhaps they could counter mccains rash attacks with reason and a really progressive stance |
8:29 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
@Rith, right on. |
8:29 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Who has the most liberal voting record? It's not Obama. |
8:29 | [Comment From typewriter]
@jackson, obama does NOT have a liberal voting record |
8:29 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
Noah- no, I recall him saying something about it before |
8:30 | [Comment From Guest]
Cut defense spedning! Make corporations pay their taxes! |
8:30 | MattJhsn: whoh huge topic change |
8:30 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Wait, what? It ended up costing 400 million and you haven't built it? |
8:30 | jacksonwest: Particularly in Silicon Valley, which is fueled by defense spending.
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8:30 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie, and he wants to cut military spending now? |
8:30 | [Comment From RossL]
where's barr? nader? mckinney? baldwin? theyre all on enough ballots to win this election, but theyre not in the debate |
8:30 | Noah Kunin: I think that's a good point Logie but that wasn't the question. McCain doesn't want ethanol subsidies so saying he will get rid of them in a reduced revenue environment is not answering the question. |
8:30 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
We do not have the domestic reserves to become independent if that is what he is thinking. |
8:30 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Shyeah I WISH he was a liberal |
8:30 | [Comment From Cravenor]
they are both all over the road, k |
8:30 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain knows that big numbers impress. |
8:30 | Logie: McCain is citing a noted conservative journal for that "most liberal" claim.
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8:30 | [Comment From Guest]
Russ Feingold? |
8:30 | JasonB: McCain know's he's bombing on the given topic - trying to shirt to national security
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8:30 | [Comment From Natalie]
Now that is a lie about the Obama voting record. He makes these general sound bit statements that people will remember |
8:31 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Jim Lehrer is winning. |
8:31 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Lehrer is doing a great job moderating. He's really going after the questions. |
8:31 | jacksonwest: If Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate, must be news to Barbara Boxer.
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8:31 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie, yes I know, but in reality Obama voted for the war, for the patriot act, for gitmo, and for FISA |
8:31 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
And McCain doesn't?! |
8:31 | Logie: RIGHT: Obama is a centrist democrat. MANY senators are more liberal (Feingold!)
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8:31 | Noah Kunin: How did Obama vote for the war? |
8:31 | [Comment From typewriter]
No, McCain did as well |
8:31 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Wait, no, Obama was against the war in 2002. Wasn't even in the Senate to vote on it. |
8:32 | [Comment From Rith]
Well, loets have universal health care then, the gov can conrtol spending better |
8:32 | [Comment From Mark]
Nader is the only person who is against all of them |
8:32 | [Comment From enraged youth]
LOBBYIST affect and shaped YOURE platform TOO obama! |
8:32 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama took office after the votes to go to war in Iraq. |
8:32 | [Comment From Mark]
HE FUNDED THE WAR |
8:32 | [Comment From Rith]
Universal health care = group discount |
8:32 | Logie: Obama voted for funding the war - perhaps that was the point?
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8:32 | [Comment From TylerM]
Obama voted to fund the war many times |
8:32 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
oooh..now we hear about lobbyists -- bets on when the fannie mae $15,000/month mccain advisor comes up? |
8:32 | [Comment From typewriter]
@ultimate, he voted to fund it |
8:32 | [Comment From TylerM]
300 billion dollars because of Obama |
8:32 | RobinMarty: what's a google -- you have confused the mccain
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8:32 | Noah Kunin: Gotchya, thanks for the clarification. |
8:32 | [Comment From Jacc]
Google for Gov't? Invest in Google. Wait for the bailout. |
8:32 | [Comment From TylerM]
on the war |
8:32 | [Comment From Mspdude]
ohhhh..google! |
8:32 | [Comment From Cravenor]
the funds for troops in iraq |
8:33 | [Comment From typewriter]
SPENDING FREEZE?? |
8:33 | [Comment From Rith]
spending freeze? |
8:33 | Joe Bodell: "Entitlements" like Social Security"? Â Hmm. |
8:33 | [Comment From TylerM]
funds for a permanent base in Iraq |
8:33 | [Comment From michael ispan]
like to see a third party candidate |
8:33 | [Comment From typewriter]
So what would the federal gov do then? |
8:33 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
You don't care about your veterans! |
8:33 | [Comment From Diane]
spending freeze? on puleeze |
8:33 | Joe Bodell: "Using a hatchet where you need a scalpel" -- great line. |
8:33 | jacksonwest: Wait, don't I pay for Social Security every month?
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8:33 | [Comment From Jeffrajones]
One of these two will be president mainly because alternatives are shut out of the process! Open the debates to third party candidates!!! |
8:33 | Logie: GREAT response from Obama.
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8:33 | MattJhsn: Freeze national defense only! |
8:33 | [Comment From Diane]
and McCain now cares about veterans? |
8:33 | [Comment From Cravenor]
yeah, germany, s korea |
8:33 | [Comment From Natalie]
Nice analogy |
8:33 | Noah Kunin: He would kill infratrstructure investment? That would result in a LOT more money spend down the road. |
8:33 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I make a distinction between authorization and funding, as defunding is only one tactic of many, but GLAD to hear people pissed about the war. Sometimes its like we're not even there |
8:33 | [Comment From Jacc]
Spending freeze? Mccain hates the CIA,FBI,Social Security, . . . |
8:33 | [Comment From Rith]
@mattjhsn Yes! |
8:33 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
OH MY GOD |
8:33 | Chuckumentary: clapping is heard here |
8:33 | JasonB: Obama should be careful. McCain may us a hatchet
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8:34 | Joe Bodell: Naderites please chill out. Ralph Nader has never been a serious candidate for anything. End of story. |
8:34 | MattJhsn: damn this guy changes the topic every time. |
8:34 | [Comment From enraged youth]
@Joe because centrist liberals like you throw him out the window |
8:34 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Nuclear is not needed. |
8:34 | [Comment From Tierney]
Did he just say we send 700 BILLION overseas? Think that's not right |
8:34 | [Comment From Jacc]
Did McCain just quote Van Halen? He see's your Google and raises you a David Lee Roth. |
8:34 | [Comment From michael ispan]
riight!! |
8:34 | [Comment From enraged youth]
real issue: more parties! |
8:34 | RobinMarty: oooh.... first kennedy, now clinton -- what a maverick!
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8:34 | Joe Bodell: McCain: �I Am A Deregulator. I Believe In Deregulation.� While speaking about the cable and satellite television during an appearance on CNN�s �On the Money,� John McCain said, �I am a deregulator. I believe in deregulation." |
8:34 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
When he falls into his stump, he loses independents and democrats. The red line has a visibile cealing. This is a good sign! |
8:34 | [Comment From TylerM]
solar first |
8:35 | Mike McIntee: Presidents don't rule, they govern.
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8:35 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Lehrer: for $%@& sake, would you pay attention to me?! |
8:35 | Joe Bodell: Indeed Mike. |
8:35 | [Comment From Rith]
I don't think we as a society are responsible enough for nuclear |
8:35 | Noah Kunin: This issue sticks in my craw. I think building nuke plants is a better alternative to new coal plants since capture and sequesteration is untested and unlikely to be deployed on a large level |
8:35 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Mike No, they DECIDE |
8:35 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Coleman thinks were gonna get 14 trillion back |
8:35 | [Comment From Cravenor]
do everything fer energy |
8:35 | RobinMarty: let's tell coleman he can have it all if he retires...
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8:35 | [Comment From Rith]
I don't trust either one of these guys |
8:35 | [Comment From Natalie]
did I hear him reference president Clinton? How clever was that |
8:36 | [Comment From TylerM]
we need to get rid of nuclear and coal. in spain they already are shifting rapidly to solar. |
8:36 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Maybe McCain should purchase some more homes! Save the economy! |
8:36 | Logie: Obama solid on the moment not being one for tax cuts for the wealthy.
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8:36 | [Comment From Rith]
there is also geothermanl |
8:36 | MattJhsn: The 10 year energy plan HAS to have nuclear in it, but I haven't looked at the details of it. |
8:36 | jacksonwest: Right, because the $700 billion financial bailout totally isn't state capitalism.
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8:36 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain wanted health care deregulated? LIAR! |
8:36 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
I don't want this govt in my healthcare either. |
8:36 | [Comment From Cravenor]
do all them , then keep the best |
8:36 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama is not opposed to nuclear power. The waste issue is a big problem, particularly in Nevada. |
8:36 | [Comment From Jacc]
I just wish someone would win this debate. |
8:36 | Joe Bodell: It's not just a big problem in Nevada, it's political suicide. |
8:37 | Noah Kunin: Another huge difference in audience reaction. Indy voters do NOT like McCain talking about handing insurance over to gov. I guess they see through that point. |
8:37 | [Comment From TylerM]
ethanol and biofuels are wasteful. solar and wind. |
8:37 | Noah Kunin: @Joe B NIMBY issues make it political suicide everywhere I think. |
8:37 | [Comment From Cravenor]
truth b told |
8:37 | [Comment From Tierney]
Someone should make him explain why they voted against the GI bill |
8:37 | [Comment From Mark]
solar and wind are the only way to go...the only person who is completely for that is Nader |
8:37 | [Comment From Tierney]
I mean why McCain |
8:37 | RobinMarty: I know an easy way to bring spending down drastically and quickly....
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8:37 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama will probably win Nevada, though. |
8:37 | [Comment From michael ispan]
univerversal healthb |
8:37 | Noah Kunin: @Tyler Ethanol yes. 3rd Generation Cellulosic Biofuels can be very efficient and effective. |
8:37 | Joe Bodell: @Noah -- yep. |
8:37 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
waste also issues in other western states -- the trains go through to get it to Nevada, yucca on same aquifer as California |
8:37 | jacksonwest: Sound of cans being opened echo through the audience here. Â People are starting to slur back to the screen.
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8:38 | [Comment From Jacc]
He knows because Arizona has no money? Not the same as controlling spending. |
8:38 | [Comment From Laurie]
McCain is sounding whiny here |
8:38 | [Comment From Natalie]
I wish Obama would say I agree with such in such instead of I agree with McCain |
8:38 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
ORGY |
8:38 | Joe Bodell: It takes cojones to get away with using the word Orgy in a presidential debate. |
8:38 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
YES |
8:38 | [Comment From typewriter]
Nice point~! |
8:38 | jacksonwest: I love orgies of spending. Â Orgies generally, really.
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8:38 | [Comment From enraged youth]
and obama voted for funding the war. both of these cats are @$$es |
8:38 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Orgy? That was stupid. We already know he's extremely thoughtful that HAD to be planned |
8:38 | [Comment From Jacc]
Toga! Toga!Toga! |
8:38 | Noah Kunin: 2nd ref. to Miss Congenialtiuy. |
8:38 | [Comment From Rith]
yes, lets hear about climate change |
8:38 | [Comment From TylerM]
miss congeniality |
8:38 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
but sarah Palin was miss congeniality! |
| 8:38 | Who gave the best response on the financial crisis question?McCain Obama Neither |
8:38 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Noah, for those of us without cable, how did that Obama attack go over with Indies? |
8:38 | jacksonwest: I think he meant it in the Nero and Caligula sense of the Republicans.
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8:38 | Chuckumentary: are we having an orgy with miss congeniality? if so, why is there a scary old man here? |
8:38 | Joe Bodell: Opposed the White House on Iraq management? Â Really? |
8:39 | [Comment From michael ispan]
healthcare NOW! |
8:39 | Logie: MISTAKE: he can't keep harping on Miss Congeniality . . .
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8:39 | [Comment From Jacc]
I wonder what McCain was Miss of? |
8:39 | MattJhsn: Torture is one issue I'm totally in accord with McCain |
8:39 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
she was voted miss maverick |
8:39 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Wasn't Sarah Palin Miss Congeniality? |
8:39 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
I think I'm gonna move to Spain now. |
8:39 | jacksonwest: I hear Galicia is quite nice.
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8:39 | RobinMarty: oh lord, please don't let him be miss understood
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8:39 | Logie: McCain is back to low energy . . .
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8:40 | [Comment From Jacc]
I'll bet McCain was voted Miss Direction |
8:40 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ya wmd |
8:40 | [Comment From typewriter]
Man, here comes the bloody shirt |
8:40 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
thirsty, please say fundamental |
8:40 | [Comment From Natalie]
I'm feeling sick about how this debate is going |
8:40 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama was against the surge. |
8:40 | Joe Bodell: If Obama can make the point that the Surge was a tactical success in the context of a strategic failure, he can win this question hands down. |
8:40 | [Comment From TylerM]
get out of iraq. let's stop killing people in iraq and afghanistan. we need fewer troops in the whole middle east. we are agitating those people. only nader would cut down the bloated wasteful military budget. |
8:40 | RobinMarty: I just figured out whymccain is so low energy looking
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8:40 | [Comment From Diane]
Did you know McCain was a POW? |
8:40 | [Comment From Rith]
I doubt Irak will be stable |
8:40 | [Comment From Guest]
McCain is this years Bob Dole |
8:40 | RobinMarty: they totally botoxed him pre debate
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8:40 | [Comment From Jeffrajones]
Your disappointment does not have to lead to you moving to another country! There are alternatives to the lackluster plans of these two parties represented here tonight! |
8:40 | jacksonwest: Californians for Adderall for McCain. Members: me.
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8:41 | MattJhsn: He said at the beginning he wasn't feeling well. |
8:41 | [Comment From Jacc]
The strategy? Warm milk, cookies, and bedtime by 10. |
8:41 | [Comment From JM]
We are maintaining in Iraq,at best. |
8:41 | [Comment From michael ispan]
The war in Iraq is a crime |
8:41 | [Comment From TylerM]
mccain was a bomber pilot before being a pow. |
8:41 | RobinMarty: his mouth lines were filled in
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8:41 | [Comment From Rith]
Does anyone here know how may people die from this war every year in Irak? |
8:41 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ya, 1 of many pow s |
8:41 | [Comment From Griffin]
how many other wars have you won? |
8:41 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
This trendline is great. Independents are not buying McCain on Iraq |
8:41 | [Comment From Diane]
Get him, Obama |
8:41 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
what do I do when obama says fundamental? |
8:41 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
fundamental |
8:41 | jacksonwest: McCain not feeling well, eh? Â I might vote for him just to see Sarah Palin take his place when he croaks.
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8:41 | [Comment From typewriter]
He needs to finish this attack off |
8:41 | jacksonwest: It would be a disaster, but good times for comedians.
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8:42 | RobinMarty: did mccain just nap?
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8:42 | [Comment From typewriter]
Nice nice keep it going |
8:42 | [Comment From Rith]
10,000 per year |
8:42 | RobinMarty: oops -- awake now
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8:42 | [Comment From Jacc]
So we've spent about the same as the proposed bailout. |
8:42 | [Comment From Natalie]
Now Obama is making some good points |
8:42 | [Comment From michael ispan]
bin ladin . where is he?? |
8:42 | [Comment From Cravenor]
nixon kennedy rem |
8:42 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
I wish that they would report the temperature at each podium from those special new-fangled controls. |
8:42 | [Comment From Guest]
its about time her does |
8:42 | Joe Bodell: Jacc -- that's exactly right. We're about to put an Iraq occupation in Wall Street's pocket. |
8:43 | [Comment From typewriter]
I think that was a weak ending for Obama |
8:43 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
the bailout will be much closr to 1 trillion |
8:43 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Robin, in fairness, this is making me sleepy too :-) |
8:43 | [Comment From Eric]
where's mccain's american flag pin? eh? what the hell!? is that a PLEDGE PIN ON YOUR UNIFORM!? |
8:43 | [Comment From Natalie]
good choice of words "wisdom" |
8:43 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
Obama never follows through and pulls his punches |
8:43 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Obama has nice eyelashes. |
8:43 | Noah Kunin: So, in saying we should NOT focus on the past, McCain talks about the past? |
8:43 | [Comment From Cravenor]
so miccy gets 1 right |
8:43 | Chuckumentary: I'm drinking a Surge right now |
8:43 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
He opposed the surge. |
8:43 | Joe Bodell: mmm, delicious. |
8:44 | Joe Bodell: Hmmmmm.......Biden vs......??? |
8:44 | [Comment From Griffin]
YAY PALIN! |
8:44 | RobinMarty: why does mccain just smile from one side of the face?
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8:44 | Noah Kunin: Yeah, let's get into what the judgement into picking VP choices... |
8:44 | [Comment From Cravenor]
wot no commecials ) |
8:44 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
botox |
8:44 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama seems to be settling in |
8:44 | [Comment From Rith]
It's a smirk |
8:44 | RobinMarty: oooh....come on -- say palin now!
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8:44 | JasonB: @Robin, because he's had cancer on the other - for real
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8:44 | [Comment From Jacc]
Drill Baby Drill! |
8:44 | [Comment From brad]
why does mccain just smile from one side of the face? |
8:44 | jacksonwest: @RobinMarty: Botox.
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8:44 | Noah Kunin: There you go Joe B. |
8:44 | Joe Bodell: Good shrug off of the inside baseball. Â I worked for John Kerry in '04, but he would have gotten bogged down in the Senate procedural details and put the audience to sleep. |
8:44 | [Comment From brad]
he just had a small stroke |
8:44 | MattJhsn: I think they have been fairly respectful so far. |
8:44 | [Comment From Eric]
3 shots when he says palin? |
8:45 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
tactical... strategic |
8:45 | Mike McIntee: Major scoring points here by Obama.
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8:45 | [Comment From typewriter]
war started in 07 i like that |
8:45 | [Comment From typewriter]
this is an awesome attack |
8:45 | RobinMarty: he can't smile because of it? Â I swear he used to...
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8:45 | [Comment From michael ispan]
The next president will be in office when the shit hits the fan. |
8:45 | [Comment From Cravenor]
its a fair 2 good debate |
8:45 | [Comment From Jacc]
Too bad it wasn't a stroke of genius. |
8:45 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
smirking weasel |
8:45 | RobinMarty: oooh...he couldnt' even remember who was shia and sunni--- come on, say it!
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8:45 | [Comment From Rith]
he was wrong! |
8:45 | [Comment From Diane]
makes you want to smack that smirk off |
8:45 | [Comment From Rith]
I think we should stop looking for conflicts |
8:45 | [Comment From Rachael]
Aren't you more concerned about how they are going to the ruin the country? |
8:45 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
greeted with flowers! |
8:45 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ya thats right o |
8:45 | Noah Kunin: Whoa Death Eyes from Obama to McCain on difference between tactics and strategy |
8:45 | [Comment From Jacc]
Ouch |
8:45 | Logie: Obama scores points for being able to directly state TO MCCAIN that McCain was"wrong."
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8:46 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I wonder how much steroids they had to pump into that geezer to keep him standing for this debate? |
8:46 | RobinMarty: what is the differnce between a tactic and a strategy?
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8:46 | Noah Kunin: Is McCain saying that the surger was strategy and tactics? Cause it's clearly a tactic. |
8:46 | [Comment From michael ispan]
GB had a smirk |
8:46 | jacksonwest: Yes, but our "tactics" include torture and a police state.
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8:46 | [Comment From Eric]
no, no, no. neither are correct. use strategeries |
8:46 | [Comment From Jacc]
Robin, whether you win or lose, I presume. |
8:46 | [Comment From Rith]
We are murdering an entire population in Irak |
8:46 | Noah Kunin: McCain is wrong that's A TACTIC! |
8:46 | jacksonwest: So a pyrrhic victory if it is one.
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8:46 | RobinMarty: strategy means  saying "I meant to do that" after something succeeds?
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8:47 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Bewildering the American people is a strategy. Picking Pailin was a tactic. |
8:47 | Mike McIntee: And then the fairies come in and spread pixie dust.
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8:47 | Noah Kunin: McCain has no idea what he's talking about! I'm shocked that on these military terms he has no idea what he's talking about |
8:47 | Noah Kunin: This is really scary. |
8:47 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
our tactic now include torturing them off shore on boats where no jurisdiction holds |
8:47 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
OH SNAP |
8:47 | [Comment From Cravenor]
sorry palin was a missqu |
8:47 | [Comment From JM]
Maintaining John, maintaining is the best we ca do, ad you know it! |
8:47 | Joe Bodell: From the Obama campaign:  REALITY: The Claim That Obama Voted To Cut Off Funding For Our Troops Is �Highly Misleading� And Using The McCain Standards, It Would Be �Literally True� To Say That �McCain Urged A Veto Of Funding For Our Troops.��Lieberman also said that "colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield." That's a highly misleading claim that McCain also touted in an ad this summer. Obama has voted in favor of war-funding bills at least 10 times since becoming a senator. The McCain camp and Republicans cite one vote Obama cast against a funding bill as justification for their claim � but that vote came after President Bush had vetoed a version of the bill that included a date for withdrawal from Iraq. In fact, most Republicans voted against that 2007 war-funding bill Obama and the Democrats supported. McCain was absent for the vote, but he urged the president to veto the bill. As we said about this subject previously, �Based on those facts, it would be literally true to say that �McCain urged a veto of funding for our troops.� But that would be oversimplified to the point of being seriously misleading.� And the same goes for Lieberman�s claim at the convention.� [Factcheck.org, 9/3/08]
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8:47 | Noah Kunin: Strategy = Goals Tactics = Methods |
8:47 | MattJhsn: Wow Obama seems smart. |
8:47 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Noah I agree, the double think is quite startling |
8:47 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
A strategy is an overall plan; a tactic is an at once occurence, like this weeks tactic of FLANKING the Democrats with the economic debacle while we were busy arguing the issues. THAT was a tactic. Their overall strategy is to keep us busy while they jimmy the vote machines everywhere they can. |
8:48 | [Comment From Rith]
In my lifetime, George Sr. was in Irak, they have been at this for awhille |
8:48 | Noah Kunin: That McCain thinks tactics is some....slight? against the surger is absurd. Totally completely absurd. |
8:48 | [Comment From Natalie]
Great he is confronting McCain on his lies |
8:48 | [Comment From Jacc]
General Apathy was a much better leader than Major Boredom. |
8:48 | [Comment From Cravenor]
there we go, afgana |
8:48 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Way to take the high road, admitting that McCain supported funding for troops. |
8:48 | [Comment From michael ispan]
The citizens posting here are not sheeple |
8:48 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
tactics... strategy.... or perhaps policy? |
8:48 | [Comment From Diane]
Look at McCain...smug |
8:49 | [Comment From Julie Sandburg]
Oh yeah, Afghanistan, I almost forgot about that place! |
8:49 | [Comment From Rith]
Aren't we busy chasing terorists accross the afganistan/pakistan border? |
8:49 | [Comment From Cravenor]
kill bin |
8:49 | [Comment From typewriter]
who suggests that? |
8:49 | [Comment From typewriter]
admiral who? |
8:49 | [Comment From Rith]
Pakistan is pretty pissed about it |
8:49 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
someone smak that smirk off mccains face |
8:49 | Joe Bodell: It would be great to have the candidate who's *not* speaking in a picture-in-picture to see how they carry themselves while their opponent is speaking. |
8:49 | [Comment From typewriter]
Bin Laden Never said that |
8:49 | MattJhsn: Obama is all over him. |
8:50 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I don't enjoy this comment feature at all. It takes my attention away from the debate. |
8:50 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Actually Zawahiri says the battleground is Afghanistan and Algeria |
8:50 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
osama bin laden has never even formally been held responsible for 9/11 |
8:50 | [Comment From Diane]
Comparing bin Laden and Petraeus? |
8:50 | [Comment From Cravenor]
tell pakys 2 help or stay outta the way |
8:50 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
CBS has both candidates on screen 100% of the time. |
| 8:50 | Who gave the best answer to the Iraq question?Obama McCain Neither |
8:50 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Joe, on CBS they have them in picture constantly |
8:50 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Joe: The networks are doing split screens. I agree. |
8:50 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Joe, check out CNN |
8:50 | Joe Bodell: Ah, I have MSNBC on. Â Silly me :-) |
8:50 | MattJhsn: CBS has it's own cameras? or own control room? |
8:51 | [Comment From Jeff Rosenberg]
Not only does CNN have a split screen, they've left 10 pixels in between the screens so we can watch stars and stripes float majestically by. |
8:51 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
oh yes - afghanistan - if you liked iraq you'll love afghanistan |
8:51 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
We do not want to be perceived as occupiers in Afghanistan. |
8:51 | jacksonwest: One, lone boo for Obama's plan to deploy more troops to Afghanistan. Â Guess all the pacifists are in Berkeley.
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8:51 | [Comment From Jacc]
I wish the had the screen split three ways so I could also see hamster dance. |
8:51 | Joe Bodell: Great reference back to whack McCain on strategy vs. tactics. |
8:52 | [Comment From Cravenor]
git binny in afrgan of pakastan |
8:52 | jacksonwest: C'mon guys, we've had so much luck winning ground wars in Asia in the past!
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8:52 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Joe, of course as soon as I tell you to change channels CBS stops |
8:52 | Noah Kunin: Are they going to mention there was live fire exchange between Pakistan and American forces this week that barely made teh news? |
8:52 | [Comment From Guest]
lol afghans dont like occupiers |
8:52 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
CBS keeps switching from split screen to one candidate. I like the variety, but I feel I keep missing part of the story. |
8:52 | [Comment From Jacc]
Obama says Pakistan like he hates America. |
8:52 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
tactics... strategy... policy... poppy trade! |
8:52 | [Comment From Rith]
@noah, they are going to avoid it |
8:53 | [Comment From Jacc]
Policy is a gateway orgy. |
8:53 | [Comment From Cravenor]
pakys would get their clocks cleaned |
8:53 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
nice -- way to bring up how old you are again....russia in afghanistan |
8:53 | [Comment From Guest]
lol jack its like risk |
8:53 | Joe Bodell: There was a great article in the NYT recently about the poppy trade in Afghanistan several weeks ago. Some frightening stuff, and it is quite possibly the primary issue in that country. It drives everything -- poverty, terrorism, state control, everything. |
8:53 | Noah Kunin: I'm hoping the moderator brings the incident up in a more expansive question on how to work (or not work with) the new government in Pakistan. |
8:53 | JasonB: 2 American chopers were fired at on the boarder. The pilots said they never fired back.
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8:53 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Americans have been crossing the border into Pakistan, as in troops on the ground, since 2006. The recent exchange of fire is nothing except that, and I hate to say it, corporate media is paying attention |
8:53 | [Comment From Rith]
We backed those guys that took over after the Russians were pushed out |
8:53 | [Comment From Mspdude]
I like Obama's bullet point style (step 1, 2, 3). Makes him clear and sounds like he has a real plan. |
8:53 | [Comment From Rith]
the US trained them, put them in power |
8:53 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
why are they building an massive airport in southern afganistan = where the poppies grow |
8:54 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Jason NATO says there was a small ground conflict as well |
8:54 | Noah Kunin: Laugher here about "out loud" statements. |
8:54 | [Comment From Cravenor]
chicken? |
8:54 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
he was around during alexander the great, that's why he knows about it |
8:54 | jacksonwest: Actually, it has been governed. By Waziris. Â And the Caliph.
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8:54 | Logie: Great point, MSPdude. Obama's listing is probably reassuring for those on the fence about his ability for specifics.
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8:54 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
We have already had strikes across the border. |
8:54 | [Comment From Rith]
The poppies grow just fine here too |
8:54 | JasonB: Did McCain just say we need to invade Afgan like we invaded Iraq?
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8:54 | [Comment From Cravenor]
its air force thing |
8:54 | MattJhsn: "I've met Alexander the Great" :) :) |
8:54 | Noah Kunin: This is probably McCain's best answer though. |
8:55 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Noah, i agree |
8:55 | Noah Kunin: Most cogent answer in terms of logic. |
8:55 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain, Marriage is tough, especially terrorist marriage. |
8:55 | [Comment From Rith]
Talipan |
8:55 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
taliban were agents of america and pakistan under bhutto and befpre dammit |
8:55 | [Comment From michael ispan]
100 years of war |
8:55 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
tallypan marzipan |
8:55 | Noah Kunin: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD the clear/hold/build idea is a TACTIC not a STRATEGY. |
8:55 | [Comment From Mark]
McCain and Obama are the same. We in Nader and Barr in the debate |
8:55 | [Comment From Rith]
tulipan |
8:55 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
It was not a message to the Pakistani government it was a message FROM the Pakistani government |
8:55 | Noah Kunin: Did McCain just WINK that we in fact would send troops into Pakistan? (Duh, we have them there arleady but still) |
8:56 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Mark, dont forget McKinney |
8:56 | Logie: Obama is taking a very authoritative stance to McCain.
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8:56 | jacksonwest: McCain's hand and arm movements feel tentative and pinched. Â His body language is really bad. Â He should be glad it's mostly hidden behind the podium.
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8:56 | [Comment From Rith]
no attacking pakistan, hold on to your shorts McCain |
8:56 | [Comment From Guest]
afghans beat the USSR, they can bring down our empire too if we commit our military to afghanistan.... |
8:56 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
nice! use of extinction! |
8:56 | Joe Bodell: BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB BOMB IRAN |
8:56 | [Comment From Cravenor]
if the pakys attack us forces..... |
8:56 | Jeff Rosenberg: Obama's direct and succinct style is going to play really well. |
8:56 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
nice !! |
8:56 | RobinMarty: oooh....bomb iran song -- burn
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8:56 | Chuckumentary: snap #2 |
8:56 | Noah Kunin: Wow, best hit for Obama righ there. |
8:56 | [Comment From Jacc]
Take them out, for a nice lobster dinner, and then never call them again, |
8:56 | Joe Bodell: Sorry, I coudln't help myself there.... |
8:56 | [Comment From Mark]
sorry...Mckinney too |
8:56 | MattJhsn: This is already our strategy, it's just secret. |
8:56 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
policy... strategy..... Presidents do not do tactics. |
8:56 | [Comment From Natalie]
I wish he would stop saying McCain is right. |
8:56 | [Comment From Cravenor]
matt is right |
8:56 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain looks like he's about to blow a gasket |
8:57 | [Comment From typewriter]
It sounds like Obama is winking at military intervention into pakistan |
8:57 | Logie: McCain is not helping himself by avoiding eye contact with Obama.
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8:57 | RobinMarty: ok, bored again -- go back to mainstreet v wallstreet please
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8:57 | Jeff Rosenberg: Alright, I've been upgraded to black! Thanks, The Uptake! |
8:57 | Noah Kunin: Possibly best Obama response right there to McCain's response |
8:57 | [Comment From David]
Both of these guys are pretty bad |
8:57 | RobinMarty: Jeff is the new black
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8:57 | [Comment From Guest]
failed state? lol |
8:57 | [Comment From Cravenor]
get binny war time |
8:57 | jacksonwest: Pretty sure that state failed under Reagan and Bush the first. Â Failed with nukes, no less.
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8:57 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain's tie is making eye contact with Obama. |
8:57 | RobinMarty: did it really take an hour to mention reagan?
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8:58 | [Comment From Rith]
McCain is pulling the "you are too young to understand card" |
8:58 | Noah Kunin: Whoa, did McCain just excuse a dicator since Pakistan was a "failed state?" It was failed because the military took over not the other way around. |
8:58 | Julie Sandburg: McCain is very blinky |
8:58 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Failed state.... That means that the U.S. can invade and the U.N. will not object. |
8:58 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
What an insult! Failed state. Not the largest muslim democracy on the planet, not to mention nuclear armed. Nope, just a failed state |
8:58 | Noah Kunin: Everyone: Let's be clear that we are ALREADY in NW Pakistan. |
8:58 | RobinMarty: I think his eyes are dry -- they are very red
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8:58 | [Comment From Diane]
waiting for the "I was a POW" line |
8:58 | Joe Bodell: Well, the focus of this debate was to be foreign policy. But considering the general poll difference between Republicans and Democrats, Obama is doing well simply to establish parity with McCain on the issue. If he can establish that look, he has a strategy and McCain has a strategy, we each think our own strategy is the right one, he's gone a long way toward evening the partisan national security split in the polls.
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8:58 | [Comment From Rith]
Failed by whos's standards? |
8:58 | MattJhsn: UJ they are not a democracy the way we think of a democracy. |
8:58 | [Comment From Cravenor]
the past again, get with the present dude |
8:58 | [Comment From Jacc]
A military coupe is not a fart. |
8:58 | [Comment From typewriter]
As a young voter McCains past doesnt interest me, how is it going for those older voters out there? |
8:59 | Logie: McCain is losing the thread here. Is the point that he has the courage to OPPOSE conflicts, or SUPPORT them?
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8:59 | Jeff Rosenberg: Joe, unfortunately, the general consensus was that Obama would win, which puts him at a disadvantage |
8:59 | [Comment From JM]
McCainiac |
8:59 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
he keeps on invoking veterans...yet wouldn't support the GI bill... |
8:59 | Noah Kunin: Bouncing off Joe, McCain needs to win debate. Obama simply has to tie. |
8:59 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie I agree |
8:59 | [Comment From Natalie]
Yes he is rambling and BORING |
8:59 | [Comment From brad]
history lessons not doing a thing for me either type |
8:59 | MattJhsn: Oh not this story again. |
8:59 | Joe Bodell: Jeff, while that's true, I'm thinking solely about the national security question that shows up in polls
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8:59 | Chuckumentary: ZZzzzzz |
8:59 | Noah Kunin: Audience reaction is not liking McCain's story again. |
8:59 | [Comment From Jacc]
It's about time someone plays the fallen war hero card. |
8:59 | RobinMarty: I need another beer
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8:59 | Noah Kunin: CNN audience reactin. |
9:00 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Going for the emotion here. |
9:00 | [Comment From Cravenor]
the yarn |
9:00 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Wow. |
9:00 | [Comment From Griffin]
pow |
9:00 | [Comment From brad]
Neeeeext!! |
9:00 | Julie Sandburg: In lieu of visiting the ER, I've been sticking to non-alcoholic beverages tonight |
9:00 | Jennifer Whigham: This isn't going over well with even the token Republican at my place.
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9:00 | [Comment From Rith]
I think what they parents don't want is more dead kids. |
9:00 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
I really hope the trend lines are good match to the voting public. McCain is tanking with independents. There goes New Hampshire, Pennsylvania |
9:00 | [Comment From typewriter]
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN |
9:00 | jacksonwest: Bracelets! Â So fashion-forward for menswear.
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9:00 | Chuckumentary: a bracelet-off??? |
9:00 | [Comment From Diane]
Ha...Obama has a bracelet too |
9:00 | Joe Bodell: Great rejoinder on the bracelets. |
9:00 | [Comment From JM]
Pathological Nostalgia |
9:01 | [Comment From Guest]
This is not VietNam. Sheesh. |
9:01 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Republicans like accessories. |
9:01 | [Comment From Jacc]
Atleast McCain isn't talking about his friend's surgery stories. When people get that age it's a hot topic. |
9:01 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
mccain is going to pull out a nipple ring |
9:01 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Who will be the last son or daughter to die for this mistake? |
9:01 | [Comment From brad]
who'da thunk it would come down to bling |
9:01 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain seems like he is still fighting vietnam to me |
9:01 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Jacc HA! |
9:01 | [Comment From Jacc]
McCain will rebutt, "My bracelet is prettier" |
9:01 | [Comment From Cravenor]
get binny |
9:01 | [Comment From Rith]
I think Bush is responsible for 9/11 |
9:02 | Jennifer Whigham: Ah, Lehrer gives a good eye roll
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9:02 | [Comment From Rith]
Muddle through? |
9:02 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
I am pissed so far |
9:02 | [Comment From Natalie]
Yea Obama is making good points |
9:02 | [Comment From Rith]
Lets just muddle through nuclear energy too. |
9:02 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Caught himself there. He was lecturing McCain "You don't..." |
9:02 | JasonB: wow, McCain is an angry dude
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9:02 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
ooooh. he looked pissed |
9:02 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
muddle through a debate? |
9:02 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Rith I agree with you |
9:02 | RobinMarty: and a little whiney
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9:02 | MattJhsn: Yeah because our communication networks are so crappy. |
9:02 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Yeah they want to have waste |
9:02 | [Comment From Natalie]
Sooo how does going here and there important? |
9:02 | Mike McIntee: Can Palin find Afghanistan on the map?
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9:03 | jacksonwest: Wait, why are we voting for McCain and not General Petraeus?
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9:03 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
It will continue their $$. |
9:03 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama needs to ask what McCain would consider victory |
9:03 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
mccain missed the blue plate special...he's grumpy |
9:03 | RobinMarty: can palin find alabama in a map?
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9:03 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
the two puppets largely agree on most of these issues |
9:03 | [Comment From Eric]
can we get a vote up in here on who has a better tie? personally, i'm getting high off of mccains. |
9:03 | JasonB: McCain likes the work "understand" I don't know if he knows what that word means
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9:03 | [Comment From Rith]
@mike, oh yeah... I hope she is doing her homework |
| 9:03 | Which candidate gave the best answer on the Afghanistan issue?McCain Obama Neither |
9:03 | [Comment From Mspdude]
@Mike. Not sure she can see it from her house...so probably not. |
9:03 | [Comment From Earmark Jacc]
And that connection is a car with some spinners and a golden bracelet. |
9:03 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
puppets for sure |
9:03 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
HA! |
9:03 | Joe Bodell: THINK BRAIN |
9:03 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
OOOh here comes IRAN |
9:03 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Even on time. |
9:03 | RobinMarty: bomb bomb bomb
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9:03 | Noah Kunin: Exsistential threat? |
9:04 | Logie: Did he just say "existential"?
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| 9:04 | Who has the better tie?McCain Obama Lehrer |
9:04 | Joe Bodell: Did anyone else get the feeling McCain really had to think hard about that answer before giving it? |
9:04 | [Comment From proud american]
two empty suits |
9:04 | [Comment From Griffin]
bomb iran |
9:04 | [Comment From Rith]
Oh god, here we go |
9:04 | [Comment From Guest]
Alabama's her spiritual home, Robin. |
9:04 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Existential |
9:04 | [Comment From manzanita]
J-Mac was off to a great start, but Obama's really schooling him othe war on terror talk |
9:04 | [Comment From brad]
lol at tie question |
9:04 | [Comment From Cravenor]
hey everybody, good scriptn tonight, ty |
9:04 | RobinMarty: we should form the united nations! Â Again
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9:04 | jacksonwest: We're not a democracy, we're a republic, so, um, not eligible.
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9:04 | Noah Kunin: I get what he was saying but that wording is awkward from McCain. |
9:04 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
Why dont they ever discuss the palestinian Israeli conflict??? |
9:04 | Chuckumentary: a league of super friend, or SuperFriends, if you will |
9:04 | [Comment From typewriter]
IS McCain advocating a another UN? |
9:04 | [Comment From David]
get sartre in there |
9:04 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
This sucks |
9:04 | [Comment From Griffin]
League of democracy? LOL |
9:04 | [Comment From Earmark Jacc]
I'd smoke that tie if it were legal. (It's legal in Arizona for medicinal use) |
9:04 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Jacson, WHAT?!??! |
9:05 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Transcendental |
9:05 | jacksonwest: Unless of course we set up the league to more properly rule them with an iron fist. Â Muwahahahaha!
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9:05 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Sorry, if you want to appeal to the mass, you have to be a part of them. There is nothing wrong with that, that is how humans socialize. |
9:05 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
This debate is worthless |
9:05 | [Comment From Rith]
McCain is about imposing pain |
9:05 | Noah Kunin: Thank god for the French. |
9:05 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Meaningful |
9:05 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Did he just connect LOUSY GOvernment to LOUSY Economy?!?! |
9:05 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
I can't believe I just voted for McCain's tie. |
9:05 | [Comment From Eric]
awesome vote. thanks. lehrer close to taking obama! |
9:05 | [Comment From globapundit.org]
so wjhy is america's economy lousy?? |
9:05 | [Comment From typewriter]
Here comes the warmongering |
9:05 | Noah Kunin: @UJ Yes. |
9:05 | [Comment From Aaron G]
funny the parallels between lousy govt and lousy economy |
9:05 | MattJhsn: Ha, good pull UJ. |
9:05 | Joe Bodell: " Existential threat" is commonly used in reference to Israel and the Arab powers who have threatened to "wipe it off the map" -- therefore ending its *existence*. Â What McCain is forgetting here is that Israel already holds a secure second strike capability against any nuclear attack. Â M.A.D keeps rational behavior in play, even when nukes are involved. |
9:05 | [Comment From Cravenor]
redemonacripublic |
9:05 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Speaking of ties, this debate is totally a tie so far I think. Which means Obama wins. (I think.) |
9:05 | [Comment From Mark]
debate is awful because the debates are not open |
9:05 | [Comment From Rith]
Um, how did those americans get there |
9:05 | [Comment From Eric Griesheimer]
You could just go to Youtube and watch videos of Fox News and MSNBC and be just as informed.....Let Nader Debat |
9:05 | Jeff Rosenberg: In fairness to McCain here, I don't think anyone's really in favor of Iran having nukes |
9:05 | [Comment From Rith]
h yes, they are there to defend the pipeline |
9:06 | Noah Kunin: @Joe B: Thanks. I don't think that phrasing runs well among the common folk... |
9:06 | jacksonwest: McCain would have looked younger with a nice, crisp pocket square.
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9:06 | [Comment From Cravenor]
2 more left |
9:06 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
state sponsor of terror |
9:06 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Jeff No international monitoring agency has said that Iran is trying to get nukes |
9:06 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Mark Agree. It would be nice to have someone who sees both sides. |
9:06 | Jeff Rosenberg: @jacksonwest, how about a monacle? |
9:06 | jacksonwest: Brave for Obama to wear a white shirt. Â It's true, they do glare.
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9:06 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
@Jeff Wrong. Mostly rich western countries that have a problem with it. |
9:07 | Joe Bodell: @Noah -- you're right. Â People hear "existential" and I think most people think philosphers and Ralph Waldo Emerson. |
9:07 | [Comment From Mark]
adrianneleighg thank you for listening |
9:07 | jacksonwest: @Jeff Rosenberg: Ha! Â I was gonna say french cuffs, but that would definitely set him off as a dandy.
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9:07 | [Comment From UltimateJosh]
Vast majority of countries don't care if Iran goes nuclear. Only "international community" of rich white countries have a problem with it. |
9:07 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
4000 centrifuges? Nuclear weapon? |
9:07 | JasonB: @Joe, yep I do think of Emerson
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9:07 | Jeff Rosenberg: @Josh, we're a rich western country |
9:07 | [Comment From Rith]
I think they are looking for a nuclear wepon because we appear to be dangerous to them. |
9:07 | MattJhsn: Centrifuges are used to purify nuclear material to make a bomb. |
9:07 | [Comment From typewriter]
I will be honest, Obama's warmongering against Iran makes me far less likely to vote for him |
9:07 | Noah Kunin: Good hit with Obama. Any leverage with Iran needs Russia/China. |
9:07 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Aren't shirts like printing paper, can't you get a 20 instead of a 90? |
9:08 | Noah Kunin: Mm, maybe only China or only Russia but if we don't have either any leverage will fail. |
9:08 | RobinMarty: I'm john mccain and I don't like talking
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9:08 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Centrifuges are used to enrich uranium for nuclear power plants. |
9:08 | RobinMarty: as you can tell by my debating
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9:08 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
HAHHAHAHAHAHAH |
9:08 | [Comment From Rith]
What about North Korea? |
9:08 | jacksonwest: Mahmoud is gonna be pissed.
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9:08 | Joe Bodell: STILL can't pronounce the guy's name. |
9:08 | [Comment From Aaron G]
hahah nice pronunciation 5 times |
9:08 | [Comment From Tierney]
oops |
9:08 | Chuckumentary: I can't say it either |
9:08 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Didn't you want to do that to Iran? |
9:08 | [Comment From mj]
mscain should go to the bingo hall for veterans where he can brag about his record |
9:08 | [Comment From McTie Stick Jacc]
I saw his tongue. I need a drink. |
9:08 | jacksonwest: Ah-mah-deen-eh-jahd
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9:08 | [Comment From typewriter]
We are talking about the extermination of Iran RIGHT HERE and BOTH of our canidates are doing it! |
9:08 | RobinMarty: maybe leibermann can stop by and say his name for him
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9:08 | UltimateJosh: Independents are not really buying these. Only faaaar right still thinks diplomacy is a bad idea. |
9:08 | MattJhsn: Since when are preconditions a big big deal. I never heard of this before 2 years ago. |
9:09 | Joe Bodell: �McCain claims that Obama's opposition means that he also opposed calling the IRGC terrorists. We find otherwise: Obama cosponsored an earlier bill that also called for designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization; The Kyl-Lieberman amendment did more than just label the IRGC terrorists. Obama stated at the time that he opposed the bill on the grounds that it constituted 'saber-rattling'; McCain claims that Obama must oppose calling the IRGC a terrorist group because Obama's Web site doesn't say anything about the IRGC. McCain's argument is a glaring example of the logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam� We do know that McCain's claim that Obama's opposition to the bill was based on an unwillingness to label the IRGC as terrorists is false� [FactCheck.org, 6/5/08] |
9:09 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Our president should know it. |
9:09 | jacksonwest: Basically, open your markets to our consumer goods and we'll talk.
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9:09 | Joe Bodell: Wait wait wait...."Illegal" behavior? Since when has John McCain been such a huge fan of the supremacy of international law? |
9:09 | Logie: I suggest we use links rather than lengthy cut-and-paste jobs.
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9:09 | [Comment From Cravenor]
if isreal goes, the iran goes, all gone.... |
9:09 | [Comment From Tierney]
whoa - tonight we're gonna party like it's 1979 |
9:09 | Jeff Rosenberg: Joe, oh snap! |
9:09 | [Comment From courtney]
Heaven forbid we have a dialogue with these other countries |
9:09 | [Comment From Laurie]
McCain is really stumbling here |
9:10 | [Comment From typewriter]
I agree with the link idea |
9:10 | [Comment From mj]
canadians are going to leave afghanistan |
9:10 | MattJhsn: send representatives then, if you don't want to talk to them. |
9:10 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain guffawing |
9:10 | RobinMarty: I am john mccain and I am fake writing now...
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9:10 | [Comment From typewriter]
This is a good response from Obama |
9:10 | [Comment From Mspdude]
I'll sit down with anyone...as long as they do exactly what I want them to do. WHAT??? |
9:10 | jacksonwest: The most powerful man in Iran is probably some American oil executive.
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9:10 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
And they are mining Northern MN the same way. |
9:10 | Chuckumentary: snap #3 |
9:10 | Jennifer Whigham: Robin - ahahaha.
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9:10 | Joe Bodell: @Robin, I would really like to know what they're actually writing during the debate. |
9:10 | [Comment From McTie Stick Jacc]
I'd show up for tea. Now that's diplomacy. |
9:10 | JasonB: McCain "breath, breath, resist the urge to kill"
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9:10 | RobinMarty: what is that crazy blinking smirk thing?
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9:11 | UltimateJosh: McCain is being disrespectful. Anyone else picking this up or am I being sensitive? |
9:11 | [Comment From typewriter]
How is Iran a "Rogue Regime"? |
9:11 | MattJhsn: Which! preconditions makes a difference. good point. |
9:11 | RobinMarty: someone forgot the camera is always on him
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9:11 | [Comment From Cravenor]
jason b |
9:11 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
crazy blinking smirk thing = anger management training |
9:11 | Joe Bodell: @McTie -- ditto. @Robin -- I've noticed this in a couple different video clips lately. McCain definitely has an eye twitch from time to time. |
9:11 | [Comment From Natalie]
Now Obama is sounding like a president |
9:11 | Jeff Rosenberg: @Josh, I didn't really think disrespectful, but cranky at least. |
9:11 | MattJhsn: denise? what? really? tell us more. |
9:11 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Nicholas Burns? |
9:11 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama is sounding strong |
9:12 | Joe Bodell: McCain is distorting history when he suggests that Barack Obama is bucking American presidential tradition in expressing a willingness to meet with the leaders of countries hostile to the United States. Hitler apart, U.S. presidents have held meetings with some of the greatest mass murderers in history. It is also incorrect to suggest, as both McCain and President Bush have done, that the mere willingness to meet or negotiate with foreign dictators constitutes "appeasement," a term used to describe actions such as the surrender of the Czech Sudetenland to Nazi Germany in a desperate bid to avoid World War II.� [Washington Post Fact Checker, 5/21/08] |
9:12 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama is sounding like a president |
9:12 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
It's fairly well known among the folks who track mccain that he has gone through anger management training... |
9:12 | [Comment From Eric]
can someone tell me when the down time is coming so i can grab another beer? damn this no commercial thing. |
9:12 | Chuckumentary: McCain doesn't have a knife on him, does he? |
9:12 | RobinMarty: before the next debate, someone neesds to teach mccain to not fidget and have a poker face
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9:12 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Oh N. Korea. :( |
9:12 | Logie: Obama was really well prepared for the "without preconditions" charge. He's really hadling this question well.
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9:12 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
appeasement? |
9:12 | MattJhsn: denise: and blinking helps calm one down? |
9:12 | Jeff Rosenberg: McCain explosion in 3...2...1... |
9:12 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
he tends to use the word "bananas" (not kidding) when he gets really mad at people at town hals |
9:12 | Logie: Please NO MORE LENGHTY CUT-AND-PASTE. The URL is adequate.
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9:12 | Noah Kunin: Really glad Obama brought that up. |
9:12 | RobinMarty: you forgot spain!
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9:12 | [Comment From Rith]
What? |
9:12 | [Comment From typewriter]
The Spain thing is hilarous |
9:12 | [Comment From Showing up for tea Jacc]
Spain! Whammy! |
9:12 | [Comment From Griffin]
Spain. lol |
9:12 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
good call. |
9:12 | RobinMarty: oh, seal snap!
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9:12 | [Comment From typewriter]
He's not backing down from that! |
9:12 | Joe Bodell: apologies for the C+P |
9:13 | Mike McIntee: Seal thing... more bs.
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9:13 | Chuckumentary: whoa, failed attempt at humor |
9:13 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
not funny joke -- |
9:13 | [Comment From Mspdude]
McCain wouldn't even debate without preconditions! |
9:13 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Uh you refer to yourself as the president. |
9:13 | [Comment From typewriter]
Wow, what a terrible response to the Spain thing |
9:13 | [Comment From Rith]
Yes, but how can he just say he is not going to meet with anyone! |
9:13 | Julie Sandburg: Was that seal thing supposed to funny? |
9:13 | [Comment From Natalie]
McCain got no response on his joke |
9:13 | [Comment From Rith]
s his job to meet with leader! |
9:13 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Zapatero from.... |
9:13 | MattJhsn: a seal for what? |
9:13 | Noah Kunin: Creepy whispering. |
9:13 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Julie ditto. |
9:13 | [Comment From Diane]
It's dangerous to talk? |
9:13 | [Comment From Aaron G]
dangerous to talk? interesting |
9:13 | UltimateJosh: Obama is really getting under his skin. McCain is just touretting out talking points. "Dangerous!" |
9:14 | [Comment From courtney]
McCain is an idiot |
9:14 | [Comment From typewriter]
the average NK is 3 inches tall? |
9:14 | [Comment From Natalie]
God he is calling Obama naive |
9:14 | RobinMarty: what is the three inches taller thing?
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9:14 | MattJhsn: I'm not watching unless I see them make out! |
9:14 | jacksonwest: So that's why there's no North Koreans in the NBA. Â Who knew?
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9:14 | JasonB: wait, did he just talk about the hieght of the Koreans?
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9:14 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
WOW |
9:14 | [Comment From JM]
The seal of the McCainiac |
9:14 | [Comment From Jacc breaking the seal]
I'm John McCain and short people are dangerous. |
9:14 | Noah Kunin: I think it was remark about nutrition made very....awkwardly. |
9:14 | [Comment From Mspdude]
what the hell is he talking about. |
9:14 | Julie Sandburg: He's spouting off some NK propaghanda about the height of NK vs SK |
9:14 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
HAHAAHHAHAHA |
9:14 | RobinMarty: I am totally lost
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9:14 | [Comment From Cravenor]
short ppl |
9:14 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
3 inches comes from wiki.... from the CIA? |
9:15 | jacksonwest: Henry Kissinger also said, "Hey baby, come back to my hotel room for a fuck" like 10,000 times.
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9:15 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Mccain is grinding his teeth..... |
9:15 | RobinMarty: forget the presidency, I think that McCain and Obama would make a great sitcom
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9:15 | [Comment From JM]
The whole country is lost |
9:15 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
McCain suggested the height equating to crazy. |
9:15 | [Comment From Diane]
Here McCain goes... |
9:15 | [Comment From Jacc breaking the seal]
McCain "Talk to the hand" |
9:15 | Joe Bodell: @Robin -- this stuff is fascinating to me. Many of my college poli sci courses focused on international affairs. Â It's interesting to see how domestic politics are applies to international affairs and how they relate to theories of international politics. |
9:15 | Jeff Rosenberg: Things are getting nasty now. |
9:15 | Jennifer Whigham: Not sure claiming Kissinger as a close friend is a plus.
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9:15 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain is winning this point |
9:15 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain explosion |
9:15 | MattJhsn: jackson: on tape?! |
9:15 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ya ya ya |
9:15 | RobinMarty: obama -- you must chill, don't fight
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9:16 | [Comment From typewriter]
Jim needs to let Obama respond |
9:16 | jacksonwest: Obama shouldn't have mumbled trying to interrupt.
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9:16 | [Comment From Eric]
note: mccain's flag pin is not visible because it's pierced prince albert style |
9:16 | jacksonwest: McCain won a point there.
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9:16 | [Comment From Mspdude]
"my friend" |
9:16 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
he was interrupting for jim |
9:16 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
His tie makes me think of grandpa simpson:Mr. burns: so do u have a way to get rid of the protesters?
Grandpa: One way to get rid of them is to tell 'em stories that dont go anywhere. Like the time we went over to shelbyville during the war, I wore an onion on my belt....which was the style at the time...you couldnt get those white ones, you could only get those big yellow ones.................now where was I........oh yeah, the important thing was I was wearing an onion on my nelt, which was the style at the time, you couldnt get those. |
9:16 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
precondition... preparation.... sounds medical. |
9:16 | [Comment From Diane]
Russia is Palin's neighbor! |
9:16 | [Comment From howwastheshow]
Why isn't anyone citing Alexander Haig. Now THERE was a Secretary of State. :) |
9:16 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain just smoked obama |
9:16 | [Comment From typewriter]
and now obama seems rattled to me |
9:16 | jacksonwest: Riiiight, but our imperialism is totally not a threat to any regions.
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9:16 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I am sick to death of bush talking down to us. MCInsane is going to do the same thing? Oh PLEASE! |
9:16 | Jeff Rosenberg: Watching on CNN w/ audience reaction. As soon as the fighting starts, independent reaction plunges. |
9:17 | Noah Kunin: You really thought McCain won a point? My impression was that he wasn't listening at all. |
9:17 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama is never rattled |
9:17 | [Comment From typewriter]
plunges how ? |
9:17 | [Comment From courtney]
I hope they ask the Russia question to Palin in the VP debate |
9:17 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
I don't think he is rattled. He is trying not to fight. |
9:17 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
Why doesn't sonny boy run and tell Henry Kissinger all about it? Go ahead sonny boy!!! |
9:17 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Noah I agree. |
9:17 | [Comment From Rith]
You know, no one is perfect. |
9:17 | RobinMarty: sometimes just commanding the discussion is winning even if you aren't answering
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9:17 | [Comment From Cravenor]
typewritter is clueless |
9:17 | JasonB: Hey now, Palin can see Rusian from her house
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9:17 | Noah Kunin: CNN posts meters on audience reaction. The audience have meters they turn up or down. |
9:17 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I think McCain's demeanor is condenscending and snide. |
9:17 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Noah I think he came off better with the Kissienger thing |
9:17 | jacksonwest: I don't think he won the point he was arguing, I think he won a "point" in the sense that Obama looked fumbling and weak for a split second by mumbling while McCain pounded his finger.
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9:18 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
The Poles average 3 inches taller than the Czechs? |
9:18 | RobinMarty: agreed with JAckson
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9:18 | MattJhsn: did he pound his finger without looking at obama? |
9:18 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain and Palin are both snide |
9:18 | [Comment From Natalie]
Yellowbird I agree. |
9:18 | jacksonwest: Remember, many Americans want to vote for an autocratic executive, preferrably a militaristic one.
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9:18 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Jackson that is what these debates are alll about |
9:18 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
I think he looked over there. |
9:18 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
and stopped quickly. |
9:18 | MattJhsn: zing! the soul thing |
9:19 | JasonB: Okay, one more time for Palin's video
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9:19 | [Comment From Griffin]
Russia did not start it! |
9:19 | [Comment From Aaron G]
ooo nice annunciation |
9:19 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Isn't naivete a french word? A REAL american wouldn't use it. |
9:19 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
RUSSIA?! What about AMERICA?! |
9:19 | RobinMarty: did they tell mccain just to go in and say inexperienced and naive as much as possible?
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9:19 | Julie Sandburg: I think so Robin! |
9:19 | [Comment From Griffin]
lie |
9:19 | MattJhsn: they didn't have to tell him, he prolly believes it. |
9:19 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
Well when other nations look at a Republican America all they see is three letters: C I A |
9:19 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Robin -- also fundamental... |
9:19 | [Comment From manzanita]
OMG I'm so sick of hearing about how russia started the osettia thing |
9:19 | jacksonwest: Palin video? Â Did somebody say Palin video?
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9:19 | [Comment From Natalie]
McCain keeps putting Obama down and Obama keeps being overly respectful |
9:19 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Did you look into his eyes when he popped his head into Alaska? |
9:19 | Mike McIntee: Following the end of the debate we will be going to the "Citizens' Spin Room" with streaming reports from coast-to-coast with citizens who have watched the debate. Â To see this channel refresh your browser now.
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9:20 | [Comment From mj]
mccain is sharp on war |
9:20 | [Comment From Jacc]
I look into McCain's eyes and I see three letters a "T" an "I" and an "E" |
9:20 | [Comment From Rith]
McCain likes war, that is why he is sharp |
9:20 | [Comment From JM]
I want bold,black text |
9:20 | Jeff Rosenberg: McCain: "And here's another country I've been to" |
9:20 | [Comment From Laurie]
I think Obama is striving to be respectful. Look what happened to Gore when he dissed W. |
9:20 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Yeah JM, why don't we get bold black text? |
9:20 | UltimateJosh: McCain is just making this stuff up. All lies. Total bastardization of the "long war" - Multipolar energy wars, etc |
9:20 | Noah Kunin: I can't beleive McCain is still saying Mikheil Saakashvili is a great president for Georgia |
9:20 | MattJhsn: Does anyone believe pizza trumps russia(the topic). |
9:21 | Jennifer Whigham: We actually have a limit on how many people get the bold, black text. Â Next time!
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9:21 | jacksonwest: If you elect McCain, you can expect those signs by the road, too!
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9:21 | RobinMarty: how long do we have left? Â is he going to make it through the whole thing without mentioning POW?
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9:21 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
Obama is very Presidential. Nothing rattles him. Who would you rather have defending your nation? A cool smart guy or a hot head who is out of touch with reality and thinks it's still 1960? |
9:21 | [Comment From Natalie]
He is rambling again |
9:21 | [Comment From manzanita]
Can McCain read russian? |
9:21 | [Comment From Aaron G]
considering some 95% of ossestians are pro absolution with russia...this is stupid |
9:21 | Noah Kunin: Saakashvili made serious strategic AND tactical mistakes in the run up to the August war. |
9:21 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Putin.... not one of my friends. |
9:21 | jacksonwest: @manzanita I'm gonna guess nyet.
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9:21 | [Comment From Cravenor]
pizza always |
9:21 | [Comment From Jacc]
I'm John McCain and I believe a tie is a win. |
9:21 | Chuckumentary: McCain coming off as comforting and knowledgable here (regardless of reality) |
9:21 | [Comment From Griffin]
Wah, this guys nuts |
9:21 | [Comment From JM]
But dammit, I'm making bold statements |
9:21 | UltimateJosh: If you followed his advice in RISK, you would LOSE. His strategy is all ideology. Straight out of the neoconservative playbook. |
9:21 | MattJhsn: I'm surprised how comfortable mcain is on answering international questions. |
9:22 | [Comment From Rith]
they agree, how nice |
9:22 | [Comment From Diane]
Palin can help him with Russia since she can see it from Alaska |
9:22 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
Friend or not I bet you that the Russians feel safer with Putin as their leader than Americans feel with Bush as their leader! ! ! ! |
9:22 | [Comment From Cravenor]
have sum pizza |
9:22 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Only when he can pronounce them. |
9:22 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
palin video? |
9:22 | [Comment From McLame]
Comfortable like a nice squishy pillow |
9:22 | [Comment From Rith]
So what about that US base that is going in in Poland? |
9:22 | [Comment From Jacc]
Wouldn't we all be shocked if when McCain did actually look at Obama they kissed? |
9:23 | Logie: One thing to keep in mind - international policy is considered McCain's long suit. So if he does not come away with a decisive "win" here this undercuts his overall perceived strength.
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9:23 | [Comment From Cravenor]
germany, poland, why not |
9:23 | Noah Kunin: @Logie concur. |
9:23 | [Comment From Rith]
kiss kis |
9:23 | [Comment From JM]
Palin is the female version of Dan Quayle,Quaylin |
9:23 | [Comment From Mspdude]
@UJ RISK strategy is how all foreign policy decisions should be decided! |
9:23 | [Comment From Tierney]
Have to say, McCain exceeding my expectations tonight, after this last week, I expected him to light his tie on fire. |
9:23 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
The girls are getting bored. |
9:23 | Noah Kunin: Obama REALY needs to stop complimenting McCain even he believes it. As a TACTIC it is bad for him. |
9:23 | [Comment From Rith]
ok, ok, lets change the topic |
9:23 | [Comment From michael ispan]
A world wide chess game. |
9:23 | [Comment From Mspdude]
or is it tactics??? lol |
9:23 | [Comment From Griffin]
Move on, |
9:23 | MattJhsn: I like people that are respectful. |
9:24 | jacksonwest: Boos from the crowd for "clean coal."
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9:24 | [Comment From Rith]
Let's get away from oil. Stop using so much, for a start. |
9:24 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
I don't think so. I appreciate it. |
9:24 | [Comment From Cravenor]
yes its like chess |
9:24 | [Comment From typewriter]
Clean coal |
9:24 | [Comment From Rith]
I hear snorting |
9:24 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
Nice jab, getting in the 26 years thing.... |
9:24 | UltimateJosh: Typing loses something. Meant it tongue in cheek, as in that wouldn't EVEN work in RISK. Got it? |
9:24 | [Comment From typewriter]
This debate is getting away from Obama |
9:24 | RobinMarty: main street v wallstreet
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9:24 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
clean coal ruins our land. |
9:24 | [Comment From Cravenor]
solar is cool |
9:24 | [Comment From Jacc]
I think Mccain is about to charge. Obama should not have worn a red tie. |
9:24 | [Comment From McLame]
that was a pig w/ lipstick |
9:24 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
There is no such thing as "clean coal". It is an oxymoron. |
9:24 | Noah Kunin: Obama tries to tie in 3 incredaibly coplex issues - does an ok job. |
9:24 | jacksonwest: Because God knows neither candidate would ever ask Americans to cut back on their precious, precious automobiles.
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9:25 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
I was referring to the students in the "grove." They looked bored. |
9:25 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama needs to stop McCain from interupting |
9:25 | [Comment From Griffin]
Bridge .... |
9:25 | [Comment From Rith]
yeah, you keep the waste in your basement! |
9:25 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
LET HIM ANSWER |
9:25 | [Comment From Cravenor]
aw comon my pet pig is cute |
9:25 | RobinMarty: I just noticed McCain always says Sen obama, Obama says John. Â that's not good
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9:25 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
No let's put in a mountain that has recorded earthquakes |
9:25 | RobinMarty: there we go
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9:26 | [Comment From manzanita]
this offshore drilling business is such an awful lie |
9:26 | UltimateJosh: @jacksonsweet Who wants to run on an anti-car platform? Not really a political issue. |
9:26 | [Comment From typewriter]
I cant believe Obama just moved on there |
9:26 | [Comment From McLame]
there you go again... |
9:26 | RobinMarty: Obama's sounding a little irritable
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9:26 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
in a place who refuses nuclear energy |
9:26 | Noah Kunin: Dammit, Obama was about to make a really good point on McCain two facedness on nuclear waste storage. Hopefully ti comes back up. |
9:26 | [Comment From mj]
Is this a debate? |
9:26 | jacksonwest: Cars and trucks account for over 60% of America's oil consumption.
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9:26 | [Comment From Rith]
much more likely if McCain is in office |
9:26 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
he used the term "at the time" once again: grandpa simpson:
Grandpa: ... Like the time we went over to shelbyville during the war, I wore an onion on my belt....which was the style at the time...you couldnt get those white ones, you could only get those big yellow ones.................now where was I........oh yeah, the important thing was I was wearing an onion on my nelt, which was the style at the time, |
9:26 | Noah Kunin: Obama was a little rattled by McCain twisting preconditions and preparations tat. |
9:26 | MattJhsn: I'm anti refrigerators. They take way too much energy! |
9:26 | UltimateJosh: 9/11 9/11 9/11 |
9:26 | [Comment From Cravenor]
sort of a debate |
9:26 | MattJhsn: was 9/11 a drink rule or not? |
9:27 | jacksonwest: So if oil imports are a political issue, then American car culture is a part of that.
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9:27 | [Comment From Natalie]
I hope he doesn't say he agrees with McCain again when he answers |
9:27 | UltimateJosh: Not really answer, but saying 9/11 does take a long time to croak out loud |
9:27 | [Comment From Rith]
I think they should keep debating untill all the problems are solved |
9:27 | [Comment From typewriter]
This is such a charade |
9:27 | jacksonwest: In fact, of the 25% of the world's oil that American uses, 14% of world oil goes into American gas tanks.
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9:27 | RobinMarty: wait -- is he pro or anti torture now?
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9:27 | MattJhsn: ok a point i agree on. |
9:28 | MattJhsn: he is anti torture. |
9:28 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Because they own me |
9:28 | [Comment From Cravenor]
9/11 scared then pissed us off |
9:28 | [Comment From Rith]
no more suburbia! |
9:28 | [Comment From Lu]
Obama needs to obliterate him on this last question |
9:28 | [Comment From manzanita]
@UltimateJosh: ALWAYS drink when 9/11 comes up... even if you're not playing a drinking game |
9:28 | [Comment From independentvoter]
This �debate� is really a pathetic and offensive charade scripted to not offend any of their corporate masters and airing to pacify us citizens, not debate their qualifications and the future of this country.
These �debates� need more voices from outside of the establishment to bring real choices for the American people who want to reclaim our democracy.
We need Ralph Nader in these debates!! |
9:28 | jacksonwest: Public transportation can do more for energy independence than solar or wind will in the short term.
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9:28 | Jeff Rosenberg: Heckuva job, Department of Homeland Security. Oh wait, isn't FEMA a part of you? |
9:28 | [Comment From Natalie]
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Who said that? |
9:28 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Rith Yes. |
9:28 | [Comment From Cravenor]
id pass out |
9:28 | [Comment From Rith]
yes, transit |
9:29 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
YESYESYEYSEYEYYSEYSE |
9:29 | [Comment From Jacc Making Sure]
I am so glad these guys say we're safer. Can I vote for them both? |
9:29 | [Comment From Rith]
how about some funding for high speed trains |
9:29 | jacksonwest: But just like an atheist will never be president, anyone seen as anti-car: ditto.
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9:29 | [Comment From michael ispan]
OK I will give mccain kodos on this one point |
9:29 | RobinMarty: obama pro missle defense? Â IT DOESNT FREAKING WORK!!!
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9:29 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ya flyn cars |
9:29 | RobinMarty: bring back starwars
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9:29 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
How about changing what people think about us? |
9:29 | [Comment From manzanita]
i was really hoping that during the past 90 minutes I'd learn something besides the fact that both these jokers are just shills for the oil and defense industries... oh well |
9:29 | Logie: THis is a poor answer for Obama.
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9:29 | [Comment From fundamental denise]
I wanna jetpack |
9:29 | [Comment From McLame]
the biggest threat to the US is not allowing other candidates to be part of the debates |
9:29 | Jeff Rosenberg: @Rith, Bien has said that theirs will be "the most pro-train administration ever" |
9:30 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
HA. |
9:30 | MattJhsn: missile defense seems like a old reagan topic. |
9:30 | jacksonwest: @RobinMarty Have you seen the new frickin' lasers?
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9:30 | UltimateJosh: @Robin Speaking from the Rocket CIty, A LOT of jobs ride on that missile defense. It's pandering. |
9:30 | [Comment From typewriter]
This debate has just reminded me that neither of these "candidates" is actually different |
9:30 | [Comment From Rith]
@gammobat yes! |
9:30 | RobinMarty: for some reason the audience is loving this
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9:30 | [Comment From Cravenor]
drill the sun |
9:30 | [Comment From Jacc]
I'm Obama and I beleive perception is reality. |
9:30 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Bingo! |
9:30 | Logie: I think Obama's argument has to be that we are NOT safer.
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9:30 | [Comment From Rith]
Yep, the rest of the word is wondering what is wrong with us. |
9:30 | RobinMarty: my husband called missle defense a republican wet dream
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9:31 | Noah Kunin: SDI and missile defense are not the same things. |
9:31 | Logie: And I would not give mcCain credit on the torture issue, given McCain's support of the Bush administration's "extreme interrogation."
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9:31 | [Comment From Rith]
of course, the US has been in the torture business for a long time |
9:31 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@RM HAHAHAHA |
9:31 | RobinMarty: Reagan ened the cold war with his missle defence?
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9:31 | Noah Kunin: SDI is a type of missle defense. Not miss. defesne in its entirety. |
9:31 | [Comment From Diane]
here we go with McCain talking down to Obama again |
9:31 | [Comment From Rith]
No one understands, according to McCain |
9:31 | [Comment From Cravenor]
we are the world, we are the ones who left all them countrys 2 live here |
9:31 | Noah Kunin: @Logie correct re: credit on torture. |
9:31 | UltimateJosh: @Noah They're in the same building! Right next to DIrectTV ;) |
9:31 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Yeah, we would hate every one of those people McCain. |
9:31 | Noah Kunin: Indys not liking McCain |
9:31 | [Comment From michael ispan]
No other country respects US any more |
9:31 | Noah Kunin: line of attack. |
9:31 | [Comment From Natalie]
Why does Obama give McCain complements? |
9:31 | MattJhsn: RobinMarty: with the threat of a defense, not the missiles themselves. |
9:31 | [Comment From Jacc]
I'm John McCain and Obama still doesn't get I'm condescending. |
9:31 | jacksonwest: You know where McCain is going to lose this debate?
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9:32 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
blood & treasure |
9:32 | [Comment From Rith]
Play the fear card |
9:32 | jacksonwest: Among evangelicals.
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9:32 | Logie: nobody who says "blood and trasure" EVER sounds sincere . . .
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9:32 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I simply don't believe what McCain is saying. He is a war monger and I want peace. He will never quit until he is dead: making war on someone: After all it's PROFITABLE. |
9:32 | jacksonwest: There has been no coded God-speak from him at all.
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9:32 | [Comment From Laurie]
eek! creepy whisphering again! |
9:32 | jacksonwest: They won't vote for Obama, but they also won't show up to the polls if they don't get pandered to properly.
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9:32 | [Comment From typewriter]
@jackson they will vote for whoever is more pro-war |
9:32 | Jeff Rosenberg: @Logie, it was a nice attempt for an Obama-style flourish. But no cigar. |
9:32 | [Comment From Cravenor]
o ya the rapture crowd |
9:32 | UltimateJosh: @Logie Agreed. Who says "treasure" anyway? |
9:32 | [Comment From Rith]
Oh, back to China. |
9:32 | UltimateJosh: Besides Pirates |
9:32 | [Comment From Mark]
the likelyhood of another 9/11 attack would be lessened if we would get out of the middle east |
9:32 | RobinMarty: McCain missed the 9/11 commission vote
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9:32 | [Comment From typewriter]
@jackson and since they are both pro-war they will vote for the white guy |
9:33 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
resurgent |
9:33 | [Comment From Jacc]
UJ, Pirates |
9:33 | Noah Kunin: oooh, that was a good line. about china's prescense vs our abscence |
9:33 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I worked for Bobby Kennedy. I have not seen a man of such quality since they murdered him. And we know WHO did it. |
9:33 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama is sounding really good here |
9:33 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
who |
9:33 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama getting back to the populist mantra is good |
9:33 | [Comment From Cravenor]
truth b told |
9:33 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
YESYEYYEYS |
9:34 | [Comment From Diane]
Obama should've talked about how McCain wouldn't vote for veteran benefits |
9:34 | [Comment From typewriter]
Good response from Obama |
9:34 | jacksonwest: Big cheer from the crowd for that one.
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9:34 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
McCain could give a crap about the ones still alive. |
9:34 | JasonB: But, but, walter reid highscool looked so great being McCain during the RNC
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9:34 | [Comment From Cravenor]
we see it |
9:34 | [Comment From Jacc]
Here comes the McCain invented line |
9:34 | Noah Kunin: @JasonB ha. |
9:34 | [Comment From typewriter]
Obama needs to bring up Palin and Expirence |
9:34 | [Comment From Adriana]
We don't need to win the war, we need to win the peace |
9:34 | MattJhsn: but not on being a hothead. |
9:34 | [Comment From Mspdude]
Don't say you haven't funded it when you sit on the committee and are in the majority. |
9:34 | [Comment From Rith]
Oh, he finally said it |
9:34 | [Comment From Griffin]
these young people today aint as good as ME! |
9:34 | [Comment From Diane]
McCain is CONDESCENDING |
9:34 | [Comment From typewriter]
Why does McCain think that Palin does have the exprience |
9:34 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama focused too much here on tearing down McCain. Bragging on himself has been his strong suit. |
9:34 | [Comment From VeganGoddess]
Bring it home Obama!! |
9:35 | Logie: "I honestly don't believe . . . Senator Obama has made the wrong judgments."
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9:35 | [Comment From manzanita]
Enough about the surge... show lehrer's tie again |
9:35 | Jeff Rosenberg: Nice! McCain tries to tie Obama to Bush. Probably won't work, but a clever thing to try. |
9:35 | [Comment From Cravenor]
pikky pikky john tsk tsk |
9:35 | [Comment From Aaron G]
russian aggression is a huge farce |
9:35 | [Comment From JM]
Now McCain is not the Party in power. |
9:35 | Noah Kunin: Accroding to audience reaction it didnt' work. |
9:35 | [Comment From typewriter]
McCain loves the troops, dont ask dont tell john! |
9:35 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Logie Nice Fox |
9:35 | MattJhsn: wow! the love word. |
9:35 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Noah, what didnt work? |
9:35 | jacksonwest: Yes, but how about on-the-jowl training?
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9:35 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
WHO IS STUBBORN? WHO HASN'T CHANGED HIS MIND OR ADMITTED THAT HE MIGHT POSSIBLY BE WRONG? McCAIN... The Veterans HATE MCCAIN. THEY ARE DISGUSTED WITH HIS LIES. THEY WANT HIM GONE. THEY WROTE SEVERAL BOOKS AND HAVE SEVERAL SITES. VETERANS HATE MCCAIN. |
9:35 | [Comment From VeganGoddess]
I think McCain is looking into the audience for some signals or something |
9:36 | [Comment From Jacc]
Hugs not drugs |
9:36 | [Comment From Natalie]
McCain is the last person in the world to talk about flexibility. |
9:36 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
READ THE BOOK PERFIDY. It's about MCCAIN'S LIES REGARDING POWS. |
9:36 | Logie: Obama's closer seems over-rehearsed.
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9:36 | [Comment From michael ispan]
Right!!So M says |
9:36 | [Comment From McLame]
Is Kenya a Muslim country? |
9:36 | [Comment From JM]
Drugs not thugs |
9:36 | [Comment From VeganGoddess]
We know that Patreus said that this war is not one where there is "Victory" |
9:36 | Noah Kunin: Obama decidin to look directly in camera fors tmof thise closing. |
9:36 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama has the students with him now. |
9:36 | [Comment From Jacc]
Children are the future, unless we stop them now . . . |
9:36 | [Comment From typewriter]
@Logie, Obama often seems over rehersed |
9:36 | Noah Kunin: how many seconds? |
9:36 | RobinMarty: POW!!!!!!
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9:36 | [Comment From Griffin]
POW!!!!!!!!!1111111 |
9:36 | Joe Bodell: Hey, have you heard that John McCain was a P.O.W.?
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9:36 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
NO HE DIDNT |
9:36 | jacksonwest: Wail from the crowd on the prison line.
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9:36 | Chuckumentary: My drink is gone! |
9:37 | Julie Sandburg: Not this again |
9:37 | [Comment From Natalie]
Here comes the POW card |
9:37 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
You know, many people across the globe can describe America as drugs and thugs too. |
9:37 | [Comment From brad]
uuuugggghh |
9:37 | RobinMarty: I was afraid it would happen!
slamming beer now
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9:37 | Jeff Rosenberg: Wow. Audience is annoyed at McCain's final pander. |
9:37 | [Comment From Rith]
POW, get off it |
9:37 | Noah Kunin: Audience reaction iddn't resond to POW |
| 9:37 | Overall, who won the debate?McCain Obama Neither I'm Voting For Nader |
9:37 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
POW/MIA activists hate McCain. |
9:37 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
McCain lies like a bitch. Vietnam Vets HATE HIM. |
9:37 | jacksonwest: See you kids on Mogulus.
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9:37 | Joe Bodell: Though, note what he said -- he did not say "when I came home from prison in Vietnam...." he said "when I came home from prison." Possible that some viewers will get confused? |
9:37 | [Comment From Cravenor]
i think typewriter is 1 of johns kids |
9:37 | [Comment From Rith]
McCain has an axe to grind |
9:37 | [Comment From Lu]
audience was antsy and couldn't care less |
9:37 | [Comment From VeganGoddess]
McCain said that we won, we WILL win, we Should win, we haven't won yet...make up your mind dude |
9:37 | [Comment From Natalie]
too bad McCain get the last word |
9:37 | [Comment From typewriter]
Go Nader |
9:37 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ty |
9:37 | MattJhsn: I though that went very well. |
9:37 | [Comment From Jacc]
Clearly drugs were the winner, why was that not an option Chuck? |
9:38 | JasonB: That was actually a decent debate.
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9:38 | [Comment From Eric]
i'd like to change my vote on ties. lehrer obviously won |
9:38 | [Comment From michael ispan]
food is the first thing |
9:38 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
@Joe hope not, but more than likely |
9:38 | [Comment From VeganGoddess]
McCain is coming across as angry and Obama is so Presidential |
9:38 | [Comment From pce]
Hey, be nice - He was a P.O.W., in case you haven't heard. . . |
9:38 | [Comment From Rith]
We need to do this debate again. |
9:38 | RobinMarty: what, no fist bump?
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9:38 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
WHere are these voices coming from? |
9:38 | [Comment From Cravenor]
nite all |
9:38 | Jennifer Whigham: Night, Cravenor - thanks for joining us!
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9:39 | Jennifer Whigham: Live blog will continue - refresh your page as we go to live reaction shots from debate parties.
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9:39 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Why don't we have |
9:39 | [Comment From Rith]
McCain is insane |
9:39 | [Comment From JM]
Ok, how do we get the bold text? |
9:39 | RobinMarty: want to find out who know kissinger better ... go fact check!
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9:39 | [Comment From Jacc]
USA!USA! |
9:39 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Why don't we have a debate with citizens live on cnn? |
9:39 | JasonB: Hey, before anyone goes, check out our debate party coverage from around the country
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9:39 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Kenyans average 3 inches taller than the Irish. |
9:39 | Mike McIntee: Please refresh your browser and you'll be able to see reaction in our "Citizens' Spin Room".
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9:39 | [Comment From Cravenor]
ur welcome |
9:39 | [Comment From Yellowbird]
I want McCain's medical records released. |
9:39 | [Comment From Aaron G]
god i hate fox news. my cable was fd up and all i could watch it on was fox on my tv. and they immediatly started spouting propaganda after they were done talking |
9:40 | [Comment From Mark]
we need to open the debates |
9:40 | [Comment From Mark]
this was not a genuine debate |
9:40 | [Comment From David]
I hope Obama's bluster is just to get elected and he'll be more of a peacemaker than he seems. |
9:40 | [Comment From McLame]
Why can't we have a debate w/ ALL the canidates |
9:40 | [Comment From typewriter]
Who seemed more "Presidential" |
9:40 | [Comment From Rith]
Open the debates |
9:40 | [Comment From typewriter]
@David, He's just like Clinton |
9:40 | [Comment From Rith]
And have more debates! |
9:41 | Joe Bodell: Chris Matthews making the point on MSNBC that McCain never looked at his opponent and looked hunched over, but that he gave away too many points on economic issues...... |
9:41 | [Comment From Mark]
be informed...look at all candidates |
9:41 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
hahha |
9:41 | [Comment From Mark]
i agree more debates with more choices |
9:41 | [Comment From David]
seems so typewriter |
9:41 | [Comment From David]
you can |
9:41 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Wow sorry but it sounds like every thing fox news has said |
9:41 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Do McCain's medical records show any preconditions? |
9:42 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Wow, I want to make lollipops for a living. |
9:43 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
'The bracelet in my heart.." |
9:43 | [Comment From Tom]
Why is Obama just as adamant about war as McCain? |
9:43 | Mike McIntee: Schlomo is reporting to us from San Francisco
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9:43 | [Comment From Rith]
I think job interviews have lasted longer than this debate |
9:43 | [Comment From Jack]
I was hoping that Obama would nominate Caroline Kennedy as his V.P. choice, out of sheer principal. |
9:44 | JasonB: Â the words "McCain" and "Condensending" are making the talking heads
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9:44 | [Comment From David]
he has to be to satisfy the american bloodlust |
9:44 | [Comment From Mark]
@rith lol i think some job interviews do |
9:44 | [Comment From David]
@tom |
9:44 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
High five at this guy. |
9:45 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama was presumptuous, though. |
9:45 | [Comment From Jacc]
I just want to know who won the bling arguement |
9:46 | [Comment From adrianneleighg]
Poor guy is the spokesman for England |
9:47 | [Comment From Megamanx00]
Obama debates well. He spent more time preparing than McCain |
9:47 | [Comment From Mark]
i wish there was a way to open the debates |
9:47 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Tony Blair was neoliberal. George W. Bush was neoconservative. |
9:47 | [Comment From Mark]
third party supporters try so hard and no one listens |
9:49 | [Comment From JM]
Neo-Con, Neo-Lib, The results are same |
9:50 | JasonB: These candidates differ more than any candidates in years. Â Calling them the same is an enourmous stretch
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9:50 | Noah Kunin: Someone here is saying that Obama actually looked at McCain when McCain was talking but McCain rarely looked at Obama. Will review the "tape" but does this sound right? |
9:51 | JasonB: @Noah, yes, that was my impression
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9:51 | UltimateJosh: @Noah matches what I saw. McCain was disrespectful and just kept smirking, Obama seemed engaged |
9:51 | Logie: Obama clearly engaged McCain throughout the debate. McCain refused to engage Obama.
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9:51 | [Comment From David]
My strategy for this election: close race: obama. Obama clearly to win: third party. |
9:52 | [Comment From Mark]
they are exactly the same |
9:52 | [Comment From Mark]
both want a bigger military |
9:52 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
Obama started looking at McCain after Lehrer razzed him about it. |
9:52 | [Comment From Mark]
both want nuclear energy |
9:52 | [Comment From Mark]
both are tied largely to corporations |
9:53 | [Comment From Mark]
neither is for a single payer healthcare system |
9:53 | UltimateJosh: Hah, everyone at the party laughs when he says "Are you sure its not Sen McCain" |
9:53 | [Comment From Mark]
neither talk about a living wage |
9:54 | [Comment From Mark]
niether want to cancel nafta and the wto |
9:54 | [Comment From Mark]
they have minor differences but are nearly the same |
9:57 | [Comment From gamoonbat]
The surge was a tactic. |
9:58 | Mike McIntee: If you hear two audio sources that's because Noah Kunin is live in our Qik Player. Â There are mute buttons on all the players in case you want to turn one off.
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9:59 | [Comment From David]
good night, enjoyed all the wisecracks. |
9:59 | Jennifer Whigham: David - thanks for joining us!
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10:00 | [Comment From David]
Thanks |
10:02 | Jennifer Whigham: Thanks so much for joining us, everyone. Â Live reaction interviews will continue on the front page. Â Good night!
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10:02 | [Comment From Mspdude]
That was some raw interview footage. Tell us how you REALLY feel! lol |
10:02 | JasonB: Thanks everyone!
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